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Well that is what I thought until I read this article: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16069960/tesla-model-3-not-luxury-car-options-model-s https://www.the

Well that is what I thought until I read this article: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16069960/tesla-model-3-not-luxury-car-options-model-s https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16069960/tesla-model-3-no... You are looking at $55000 if you want comfort levels comparable to a BMW 3 series? I'm in the UK and I don't know how these prices compare, but the $35000 version seems rather spartan. This will not stop people buying the car though (including myself, I can only hope).

_ph_ 9y ago
And what does a BMW 3 series cost, which competes with the $55000 Model 3? That price currently includes all options, including the enhanced auto pilot. I looked onto the BMW configurator this weekend, and depending on the options selected, it is somewhat cheaper or more expensive than the Model 3, on average, they are very competitive. If you don't need the high range battery, the Model 3 is likely to be cheaper even (if you don't count the basic BMW with a 3 cylinder engine and 129 hp).
- martijn_himself 9y ago
  Ah OK, I didn't really know how they compare. I suppose it is an attractive proposition if it really is an all-electric alternative to a BMW 3 series at a comparable price. I love the minimalist interior of the Tesla, and I sure would love to own one.
icc97 9y ago
I disagree with that article almost wholly. > The truth is the Model 3 costs $40,000 if you want a standard version with autopilot You don't need autopilot > If you want a different color, add $1,000. Yeah possibly, I can see this as something a lot of people would want > And if you want a longer range ($9,000) to get over 300 miles per charge instead of 220 This is possibly worth the money, but 220 miles is still a damn excellent range. If you're prepared to accept the range limitation with buying a car 220 instead of 310 miles is fine for everything except long trips. So it's not $50,000 it at most is $36,000 for a damn excellent car. I'll take it in Black, pretend I'm Michael Knight and blow the $1,000 on a leather jacket. That's not before you get the incentives. In California that can take you down to $26,000 and in Belgium where I am, they still ridiculously allow all company cars to have 50% tax rebates, for electric cars its a 120% rebate. The UK has similar incentives (100% first year deduction and £4.5k grant [0]) Then you have to take into account the running costs of electric with something like 2-3 times the 'electric' miles per gallon vs a BMW 3-series and the cheaper prices of electricity. Edit: Quote from MSDN over running costs: > Tesla hasn’t yet released a cost calculator for the Model 3, but keeping Tesla’s current cheapest car, the Model S, juiced up costs approximately $601.50 a year in home energy costs if you drive 15,000 miles, according to Tesla’s own calculator. Fueling a gas-powered car that gets 30 miles to the gallon will cost you almost twice as much money — $1,105 — even at the current 12-year low of $2.21 per gallon. [1] In Europe petrol prices are at least double that. So you're saving ~$1,600 per year in the UK on fuel costs. So you're really not comparing it to even a BMW 3 series. Ok, then the rest of that article: > If you purchase a standard Tesla Model 3, the seats must be manually adjusted, as will the steering column. The side mirrors aren’t powered or heated, and there’s no auto dimming. I've never understood the love for electric seat adjustment. The back I almost never adjust and moving the seat back or forwards is done much faster manually. > There are no LED fog lamps FOG lamps. That's FOG lamps it's whining about. > If you’re looking for what you’ve seen in the Model S — a premium interior, autopilot, and around 300 miles of range in a color of your choosing — in a smaller form factor, well you’re not getting out without paying at least $55,000. No that's not what I'm looking for, because then I'd buy a Model S. But saying that, for $35,000 you get almost all the cool factor of having a Model S. It still looks beautiful unlike say the BMW i8 vs the i3. > The Tesla Model 3 isn’t a luxury car, it’s a midsized car masquerading as one. No it's not, it's a midsized car masquerading as a midsized car. It just happens to look nicer, go faster, run cheaper and pollute less than all the midsized cars out there. [0]: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/incentives?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/incentives?redirect=no [1]: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/you%E2%80%99ll-save-money-on-gas-with-the-tesla-model-3-but-you-may-end-up-paying-more-elsewhere/ar-BBDV6uD http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/you%E2%80%99ll-save...
- martijn_himself 9y ago
  Wow, that is a thorough debunking of an article. My comment was kind of flippant but you have obviously researched this properly. I'm in the UK, and I have been for a while, but it is interesting you mention Belgium. When I was working in the Netherlands my newly graduated Belgian co-workers (from Belgian companies) used to drive bigger company cars than most executives I met in Dutch companies, which was quite funny. So, are you getting a Model 3? :)

_ph_ 9y ago

And what does a BMW 3 series cost, which competes with the $55000 Model 3? That price currently includes all options, including the enhanced auto pilot. I looked onto the BMW configurator this weekend, and depending on the options selected, it is somewhat cheaper or more expensive than the Model 3, on average, they are very competitive. If you don't need the high range battery, the Model 3 is likely to be cheaper even (if you don't count the basic BMW with a 3 cylinder engine and 129 hp).

martijn_himself 9y ago
Ah OK, I didn't really know how they compare. I suppose it is an attractive proposition if it really is an all-electric alternative to a BMW 3 series at a comparable price. I love the minimalist interior of the Tesla, and I sure would love to own one.

icc97 9y ago

I disagree with that article almost wholly. > The truth is the Model 3 costs $40,000 if you want a standard version with autopilot You don't need autopilot > If you want a different color, add $1,000. Yeah possibly, I can see this as something a lot of people would want > And if you want a longer range ($9,000) to get over 300 miles per charge instead of 220 This is possibly worth the money, but 220 miles is still a damn excellent range. If you're prepared to accept the range limitation with buying a car 220 instead of 310 miles is fine for everything except long trips. So it's not $50,000 it at most is $36,000 for a damn excellent car. I'll take it in Black, pretend I'm Michael Knight and blow the $1,000 on a leather jacket. That's not before you get the incentives. In California that can take you down to $26,000 and in Belgium where I am, they still ridiculously allow all company cars to have 50% tax rebates, for electric cars its a 120% rebate. The UK has similar incentives (100% first year deduction and £4.5k grant [0]) Then you have to take into account the running costs of electric with something like 2-3 times the 'electric' miles per gallon vs a BMW 3-series and the cheaper prices of electricity. Edit: Quote from MSDN over running costs: > Tesla hasn’t yet released a cost calculator for the Model 3, but keeping Tesla’s current cheapest car, the Model S, juiced up costs approximately $601.50 a year in home energy costs if you drive 15,000 miles, according to Tesla’s own calculator. Fueling a gas-powered car that gets 30 miles to the gallon will cost you almost twice as much money — $1,105 — even at the current 12-year low of $2.21 per gallon. [1] In Europe petrol prices are at least double that. So you're saving ~$1,600 per year in the UK on fuel costs. So you're really not comparing it to even a BMW 3 series. Ok, then the rest of that article: > If you purchase a standard Tesla Model 3, the seats must be manually adjusted, as will the steering column. The side mirrors aren’t powered or heated, and there’s no auto dimming. I've never understood the love for electric seat adjustment. The back I almost never adjust and moving the seat back or forwards is done much faster manually. > There are no LED fog lamps FOG lamps. That's FOG lamps it's whining about. > If you’re looking for what you’ve seen in the Model S — a premium interior, autopilot, and around 300 miles of range in a color of your choosing — in a smaller form factor, well you’re not getting out without paying at least $55,000. No that's not what I'm looking for, because then I'd buy a Model S. But saying that, for $35,000 you get almost all the cool factor of having a Model S. It still looks beautiful unlike say the BMW i8 vs the i3. > The Tesla Model 3 isn’t a luxury car, it’s a midsized car masquerading as one. No it's not, it's a midsized car masquerading as a midsized car. It just happens to look nicer, go faster, run cheaper and pollute less than all the midsized cars out there. [0]: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/incentives?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/incentives?redirect=no [1]: http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/you%E2%80%99ll-save-money-on-gas-with-the-tesla-model-3-but-you-may-end-up-paying-more-elsewhere/ar-BBDV6uD http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/you%E2%80%99ll-save...

martijn_himself 9y ago
Wow, that is a thorough debunking of an article. My comment was kind of flippant but you have obviously researched this properly. I'm in the UK, and I have been for a while, but it is interesting you mention Belgium. When I was working in the Netherlands my newly graduated Belgian co-workers (from Belgian companies) used to drive bigger company cars than most executives I met in Dutch companies, which was quite funny. So, are you getting a Model 3? :)