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Not just in America I'm afraid. I live in The Netherlands, and see this hppening at large scale against any non-white people. As a white male I feel that all I

Not just in America I'm afraid. I live in The Netherlands, and see this hppening at large scale against any non-white people. As a white male I feel that all I can do is to share this injustice all I can and hope others will become aware (which so far sadly seems not to really happen).

the-dude 9y ago
Which city? As a white male myself I was apprehended this year for no particular reason at all ( Groningen ). Excuse for apprehension: I declinded to show my ID for no reason at all.
- bjpbakker 9y ago
  > Which city Many times I've seen "public" ID checks in Amsterdam (especially those in subways) targeting just non-white people. > Excuse for apprehension: I declinded to show my ID for no reason at all Yep it becomes more and more a "comply or your guilty" culture. Not going well IMO. If it's sometimes bad for white people, I only try to imagine how horrible it must be for people who are discriminated against (by public authorities) on a daily basis.
  - ensignavenger 9y ago
    Does Amsterdam require citizens to carry ID with them all the time? When I am out around my home town but not driving myself (using public transit, walking, or rding with friends/family) I often don't carry my ID with me. (I am in the US). If asked to show my ID, I couldn't comply even if I wanted to. It seems strange to me to expect people to have their ID with them at all times.
    - logfromblammo 9y ago
      Even US cops get stop-and-identify statutes wrong. They vary by state, but in states that have them, you are only required to identify yourself if you are the suspect of a crime, and stating your name and address is sufficient--a government-issued photo ID card is not required. Fast forward to all those YouTube public-accountability activist taking photographs or video of the local cop shop from a public sidewalk, to be eventually arrested for failure to identify, or trespassing, or jaywalking, or loitering, or vagrancy, or resisting arrest. Knowing who you are and where you live is necessary for the criminal justice system, but the same info may also be used to intimidate those who commit no crimes, but become inconvenient to those in power. Even the act of demanding identification may be intimidating. As such, Netherlands citizens may wish to push back against the state's power to identify anyone at will, for no readily apparent reason. It's bad enough when the law is on your side and the cops overreach anyway; I can't imagine how bad it could be when the cops start to overreach and the law allows them to go even further.
    - the-dude 9y ago
      The Netherlands has schizophrenic identity laws, a classic Dutch compromise ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_model ). The schizo thing : you are not required to carry ID, but you are required to show it upon request. The circumstances in which it can be lawfully requested are somewhat limited. You can be fined for not complying, which I was because I refused to show it.
baggels 9y ago
Stop spreading nonsense. There is a tendency amongst millennial Dutchmen (and other Europeans) to absorb American social issues and pretend they are also happening here so they can partake in the "struggle". The Dutch police is as fair, non-aggressive and understaffed as can be. The fact that over 60% of Moroccan young males have been arrested at least once is not the result of a corrupt police force. The fact that Antilleans are 24 times more likely to be suspected of a crime than native Dutchmen can't be brushed off as pure racism. For the statistics to line up with your narrative, there would have to be an equal amount of crime committed by native Dutchmen (and other low-crime ethnic groups) that goes completely unreported and unnoticed, or there would have to be a huge number of innocent non-whites being convicted of crimes that they did not commit. Either conspiracy theory would require the cooperation of an unrealistic number of people.

the-dude 9y ago

Which city? As a white male myself I was apprehended this year for no particular reason at all ( Groningen ). Excuse for apprehension: I declinded to show my ID for no reason at all.

bjpbakker 9y ago
> Which city Many times I've seen "public" ID checks in Amsterdam (especially those in subways) targeting just non-white people. > Excuse for apprehension: I declinded to show my ID for no reason at all Yep it becomes more and more a "comply or your guilty" culture. Not going well IMO. If it's sometimes bad for white people, I only try to imagine how horrible it must be for people who are discriminated against (by public authorities) on a daily basis.
- ensignavenger 9y ago
  Does Amsterdam require citizens to carry ID with them all the time? When I am out around my home town but not driving myself (using public transit, walking, or rding with friends/family) I often don't carry my ID with me. (I am in the US). If asked to show my ID, I couldn't comply even if I wanted to. It seems strange to me to expect people to have their ID with them at all times.
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    Even US cops get stop-and-identify statutes wrong. They vary by state, but in states that have them, you are only required to identify yourself if you are the suspect of a crime, and stating your name and address is sufficient--a government-issued photo ID card is not required. Fast forward to all those YouTube public-accountability activist taking photographs or video of the local cop shop from a public sidewalk, to be eventually arrested for failure to identify, or trespassing, or jaywalking, or loitering, or vagrancy, or resisting arrest. Knowing who you are and where you live is necessary for the criminal justice system, but the same info may also be used to intimidate those who commit no crimes, but become inconvenient to those in power. Even the act of demanding identification may be intimidating. As such, Netherlands citizens may wish to push back against the state's power to identify anyone at will, for no readily apparent reason. It's bad enough when the law is on your side and the cops overreach anyway; I can't imagine how bad it could be when the cops start to overreach and the law allows them to go even further.
  - the-dude 9y ago
    The Netherlands has schizophrenic identity laws, a classic Dutch compromise ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_model ). The schizo thing : you are not required to carry ID, but you are required to show it upon request. The circumstances in which it can be lawfully requested are somewhat limited. You can be fined for not complying, which I was because I refused to show it.

baggels 9y ago

Stop spreading nonsense. There is a tendency amongst millennial Dutchmen (and other Europeans) to absorb American social issues and pretend they are also happening here so they can partake in the "struggle". The Dutch police is as fair, non-aggressive and understaffed as can be. The fact that over 60% of Moroccan young males have been arrested at least once is not the result of a corrupt police force. The fact that Antilleans are 24 times more likely to be suspected of a crime than native Dutchmen can't be brushed off as pure racism. For the statistics to line up with your narrative, there would have to be an equal amount of crime committed by native Dutchmen (and other low-crime ethnic groups) that goes completely unreported and unnoticed, or there would have to be a huge number of innocent non-whites being convicted of crimes that they did not commit. Either conspiracy theory would require the cooperation of an unrealistic number of people.