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HN takes itself too seriously. This site isn't brimming with intellectuals having significant, deep discussions. It's a bunch of hackers, nerds, and interested

by sidlls 9y ago

HN takes itself too seriously. This site isn't brimming with intellectuals having significant, deep discussions. It's a bunch of hackers, nerds, and interested people who aren't either of those things kibbitzing about things (sometimes only marginally) related to technology. I find the resistance to even a little humor to be hilarious (and embarrassing, for them).

autokad 9y ago
what bothers me the most is: people downvoting an opinion that differs from their own. In a contrived example, if someone says jobs was nothing without wozniak, I dont think a person should be downvoted for voicing their opinion.
- sireat 9y ago
  HN in general will tolerate dissent, if you can provide good argumentation. Sure there's groupthink in HN as in any other forum, but HN is more open to different ideas than any other forum that I have known since the days of Usenet in late 1980s.
  - wott 9y ago
    Yes, I came to realise that when it comes (among other subjects) to 'tech' criticism, it easier to have an open discussion with various points of view on HN than on my generic national subreddit. That takes the biscuit! I just wish someone could come up with a new Usenet (<rant>instead of a dozen of open-source copies of damn Twitter</rant>). Something that doesn't depend on a company or a couple of individuals. In similar vein to what happens for the Twitter copies I ranted about, but for long, threaded discussions in Reddit/HN/Usenet style. Oh, and Reddit lacks proper hierarchies, so the discovery of subreddits is pretty bad. So, yes, more like Usenet.
    - pmlnr 9y ago
      What is wrong with the "old" Usenet? It's still there, there is only a need for a decent web gateway and some tutorials on how to run nntp servers.
      - pryelluw 9y ago
        Good point. Never had thought of that.
- am1988 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
  - DanBC 9y ago
    And this too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658683 But then see these, which seem to acknowledge downvote to disagree is a problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2403716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2403716
    - roselan 9y ago
      In that sense why not go to a "stars" system? It requires more cognitive overhead, but I think HN members can handle it.
      - corobo 9y ago
        Because people only ever vote 1 star or 5 stars. 3 at a push for neutral. They map to up, down and no vote so may as well just be that
pm90 9y ago
I don't particularly think of HN as lacking humor. There is an extreme attitude against puns, jokes and such which I think is well deserved, since the conversation devolves into who can be most creative with them. And I kinda disagree with your assertion that this site lacks intellectuals. There seem to be intellectuals from very diverse backgrounds (doctors, lawyers, even farmers). Sure, the discussion may not be as intellectual as, say, r/AskHistorians, but its still more intellectual than most other forums.
- sidlls 9y ago
  I don't think the site lacks intellectuals. I think it isn't brimming with them. And I also disagree that it's more intellectual than most other forums. Some, perhaps. Generally though HN tends to think too highly of its own intelligence and the intellectual qualities of the conversations.
  - pryelluw 9y ago
    The fact that you are being downvoted for sharing your opinion is quite funny.
- vacri 9y ago
  There's tons of humourous comments these days. When I first started here (well after the name change), if there was even a hint of comic intent in your comment, it'd be pounded deep into the gray, never mind anything like the comments you see now that are terminated with /s. I even used to have a screed against the extreme humourlessness of the site in my profile. In those days, the only way you could get away with making a lighthearted comment was to be a 'name' (like pg or other prominent users).
am1988 9y ago
> This site isn't brimming with intellectuals having significant, deep discussions If you stomp out humour you can pretend it's exactly that.
DanBC 9y ago
> I find the resistance to even a little humor to be hilarious There is no resistance to humour. Funny comments get upvotes. There is a resistance to unfunny comments, and most attempts at humour are just bad.

by sidlls 9y ago

autokad 9y ago

what bothers me the most is: people downvoting an opinion that differs from their own. In a contrived example, if someone says jobs was nothing without wozniak, I dont think a person should be downvoted for voicing their opinion.

sireat 9y ago
HN in general will tolerate dissent, if you can provide good argumentation. Sure there's groupthink in HN as in any other forum, but HN is more open to different ideas than any other forum that I have known since the days of Usenet in late 1980s.
- wott 9y ago
  Yes, I came to realise that when it comes (among other subjects) to 'tech' criticism, it easier to have an open discussion with various points of view on HN than on my generic national subreddit. That takes the biscuit! I just wish someone could come up with a new Usenet (<rant>instead of a dozen of open-source copies of damn Twitter</rant>). Something that doesn't depend on a company or a couple of individuals. In similar vein to what happens for the Twitter copies I ranted about, but for long, threaded discussions in Reddit/HN/Usenet style. Oh, and Reddit lacks proper hierarchies, so the discovery of subreddits is pretty bad. So, yes, more like Usenet.
  - pmlnr 9y ago
    What is wrong with the "old" Usenet? It's still there, there is only a need for a decent web gateway and some tutorials on how to run nntp servers.
    - pryelluw 9y ago
      Good point. Never had thought of that.
am1988 9y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
- DanBC 9y ago
  And this too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658683 But then see these, which seem to acknowledge downvote to disagree is a problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2403716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2403716
  - roselan 9y ago
    In that sense why not go to a "stars" system? It requires more cognitive overhead, but I think HN members can handle it.
    - corobo 9y ago
      Because people only ever vote 1 star or 5 stars. 3 at a push for neutral. They map to up, down and no vote so may as well just be that

pm90 9y ago

I don't particularly think of HN as lacking humor. There is an extreme attitude against puns, jokes and such which I think is well deserved, since the conversation devolves into who can be most creative with them. And I kinda disagree with your assertion that this site lacks intellectuals. There seem to be intellectuals from very diverse backgrounds (doctors, lawyers, even farmers). Sure, the discussion may not be as intellectual as, say, r/AskHistorians, but its still more intellectual than most other forums.

sidlls 9y ago
I don't think the site lacks intellectuals. I think it isn't brimming with them. And I also disagree that it's more intellectual than most other forums. Some, perhaps. Generally though HN tends to think too highly of its own intelligence and the intellectual qualities of the conversations.
- pryelluw 9y ago
  The fact that you are being downvoted for sharing your opinion is quite funny.
vacri 9y ago
There's tons of humourous comments these days. When I first started here (well after the name change), if there was even a hint of comic intent in your comment, it'd be pounded deep into the gray, never mind anything like the comments you see now that are terminated with /s. I even used to have a screed against the extreme humourlessness of the site in my profile. In those days, the only way you could get away with making a lighthearted comment was to be a 'name' (like pg or other prominent users).

am1988 9y ago

> This site isn't brimming with intellectuals having significant, deep discussions If you stomp out humour you can pretend it's exactly that.

DanBC 9y ago

> I find the resistance to even a little humor to be hilarious There is no resistance to humour. Funny comments get upvotes. There is a resistance to unfunny comments, and most attempts at humour are just bad.