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Vote count could also be optimised with machines. Each party can bring it's own OCR machine to count the votes. If there is a disagreement, fallback on humans.

Vote count could also be optimised with machines. Each party can bring it's own OCR machine to count the votes. If there is a disagreement, fallback on humans. The issue is with having a single machine that we have to trust end-to-end.

masklinn 9y ago
> Each party can bring it's own OCR machine to count the votes. There are 5 digits voting precincts in the US, give or take.
- sqeaky 9y ago
  It would not need to be done for each poll place or precinct. Each party could pick high population or high risk precincts. I think a larger issue is proving that the machine's the parties brought are not tampering with the ballots.
  - vowelless 9y ago
    Would you be okay with Republicans targeting largely black polling places ?
    - sqeaky 9y ago
      Why wouldn't I be? They are just performing another count. If one party brought machines to a poll place and managed to make trouble it is likely that the other party will show up too. Eventually it would just be part of the political landscape and the results would be better vetting all around.
- zimbatm 9y ago
  Do Diebold machines still cost 3k a pop[1]? You can get 3 high-end scanners at that price. And generally more than one Diebold would be deployed per location right? Let's say the scanner costs $500 and there are 9999 locations. That's 50M of investment per party that can be re-used. It's a lot of money but it's an order of magnitude less than their campaign cost[2] [1]: https://www.wired.com/2008/04/the-cost-of-e-v/ https://www.wired.com/2008/04/the-cost-of-e-v/ [2]: https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/ https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/
  - vowelless 9y ago
    Will this be mandatory for parties? Should the green party be forced to bring their own scanners?
    - thaumasiotes 9y ago
      Why would it be mandatory? It's a way to let parties assure themselves that the votes were counted by a trustworthy method. If they're already satisfied that that's true, then nobody can conceivably benefit by having them bring their own machines.
bdamm 9y ago
Even in this case you still have vulnerabilities in the two party's machines. Just because they have different interests doesn't mean that they'll apply strength to their machine's defenses, or even have the ability to stop the attacks on their machines assuming they were 100% committed to following correct procedure.

masklinn 9y ago

> Each party can bring it's own OCR machine to count the votes. There are 5 digits voting precincts in the US, give or take.

sqeaky 9y ago
It would not need to be done for each poll place or precinct. Each party could pick high population or high risk precincts. I think a larger issue is proving that the machine's the parties brought are not tampering with the ballots.
- vowelless 9y ago
  Would you be okay with Republicans targeting largely black polling places ?
  - sqeaky 9y ago
    Why wouldn't I be? They are just performing another count. If one party brought machines to a poll place and managed to make trouble it is likely that the other party will show up too. Eventually it would just be part of the political landscape and the results would be better vetting all around.
zimbatm 9y ago
Do Diebold machines still cost 3k a pop[1]? You can get 3 high-end scanners at that price. And generally more than one Diebold would be deployed per location right? Let's say the scanner costs $500 and there are 9999 locations. That's 50M of investment per party that can be re-used. It's a lot of money but it's an order of magnitude less than their campaign cost[2] [1]: https://www.wired.com/2008/04/the-cost-of-e-v/ https://www.wired.com/2008/04/the-cost-of-e-v/ [2]: https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/ https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/
- vowelless 9y ago
  Will this be mandatory for parties? Should the green party be forced to bring their own scanners?
  - thaumasiotes 9y ago
    Why would it be mandatory? It's a way to let parties assure themselves that the votes were counted by a trustworthy method. If they're already satisfied that that's true, then nobody can conceivably benefit by having them bring their own machines.

bdamm 9y ago

Even in this case you still have vulnerabilities in the two party's machines. Just because they have different interests doesn't mean that they'll apply strength to their machine's defenses, or even have the ability to stop the attacks on their machines assuming they were 100% committed to following correct procedure.