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In Oregon we're 100% mail-in paper ballots. I've come around to this idea too, especially after seeing some of the processing operations. Bulk counting in manag

by LVB 9y ago

In Oregon we're 100% mail-in paper ballots. I've come around to this idea too, especially after seeing some of the processing operations. Bulk counting in managed/secure facilities, along with secure storage of archival votes, seems like the way to go.

detaro 9y ago
Do you know how they protect votes against being destroyed, either on the way or by an insider, and allow enough transparency to verify this hasn't happened?
- lostboys67 9y ago
  and how do they deal with "Granny Farming" goinmg to old people homes and "helping" them with their ballots
  - iainmerrick 9y ago
    In general, the way to avoid this problem is for everyone to be vigilant and work together to keep the process fair. Blow the whistle if you see anything shady going on. To make a big change to the results, you need a big conspiracy, and the bigger the conspiracy the easier it is to spot. When the process is simple and low-tech, like pen and paper ballots, it's possible for all ordinary people to contribute to keeping the process fair. With electronic voting, you just have to trust the manufacturers and the voting officials. Everybody else is out of the loop.
pedrocr 9y ago
This does away with one of the key characteristics of the vote, not being able to demonstrate to someone else who you voted for. This makes it easy to coerce/buy votes in Oregon. If you don't want this property in your voting system (and you definitely should) doing Internet voting can actually be a safer solution in plenty of ways although it's still extremely tricky to implement properly. And I'm strongly against any form of electronic voting.
- waqf 9y ago
  Doesn't pretty much any kind of mail-in option* already have that limitation, and don't most jurisdictions already have some kind of mail-in option? *(maybe not ones where you actually have to product a documented reason why you can't vote in person)
  - pedrocr 9y ago
    Oregon does 100% mail-in. In most other places it's only used by a very small proportion of the population if it exists at all. But yes, any time you enable mail-in you've thrown away a big guarantee of a voting system.

by LVB 9y ago

detaro 9y ago

Do you know how they protect votes against being destroyed, either on the way or by an insider, and allow enough transparency to verify this hasn't happened?

lostboys67 9y ago
and how do they deal with "Granny Farming" goinmg to old people homes and "helping" them with their ballots
- iainmerrick 9y ago
  In general, the way to avoid this problem is for everyone to be vigilant and work together to keep the process fair. Blow the whistle if you see anything shady going on. To make a big change to the results, you need a big conspiracy, and the bigger the conspiracy the easier it is to spot. When the process is simple and low-tech, like pen and paper ballots, it's possible for all ordinary people to contribute to keeping the process fair. With electronic voting, you just have to trust the manufacturers and the voting officials. Everybody else is out of the loop.

pedrocr 9y ago

This does away with one of the key characteristics of the vote, not being able to demonstrate to someone else who you voted for. This makes it easy to coerce/buy votes in Oregon. If you don't want this property in your voting system (and you definitely should) doing Internet voting can actually be a safer solution in plenty of ways although it's still extremely tricky to implement properly. And I'm strongly against any form of electronic voting.

waqf 9y ago
Doesn't pretty much any kind of mail-in option* already have that limitation, and don't most jurisdictions already have some kind of mail-in option? *(maybe not ones where you actually have to product a documented reason why you can't vote in person)
- pedrocr 9y ago
  Oregon does 100% mail-in. In most other places it's only used by a very small proportion of the population if it exists at all. But yes, any time you enable mail-in you've thrown away a big guarantee of a voting system.