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> libertarians embrace far-right views here This is pretty far from being an absolute. You likely mean Libertarians, as in the Libertarian party, not libertari

> libertarians embrace far-right views here This is pretty far from being an absolute. You likely mean Libertarians, as in the Libertarian party, not libertarians in general. There are plenty of left leaning American libertarians, myself included. The Libertarian party has some weird ideas, but I would caution against conflating them with the extreme right. Libertarian is a value on a different political axis to left/right, and is counter to authoritarian.

albedoa 9y ago
I agree with you on all points. My main objection is against the claim that one cannot be far-right if he does not embrace political violence, despite all his other views. nailer is saying that Thiel cannot be far-right because he identifies as a libertarian, but it's Thiel's far-right views that would make him far-right, not his identity as a libertarian.
- nailer 9y ago
  > My main objection is against the claim that one cannot be far-right if he does not embrace political violence I haven't seen anything you post refute that point. Look at the examples given at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics - you'll see the KKK, EDL, Patriots of Ukraine, Blackshirts, etc - the common thread of these groups is their use of violence. > Thiel's far-right views that would make him far-right Thiel's views are fairly common libertarian / conservative views. The far right, is by nature, further to the right of regular right wing views.
yellowapple 9y ago
"You likely mean Libertarians, as in the Libertarian party, not libertarians in general." Even the Libertarian Party (in the US) is not necessarily "far-right". Libertarianism in general almost always leans heavily left on social issues by definition of libertarianism, and the Libertarian Party line is no exception AFAICT. This leaves the economic issues, and the full spectrum from anarcho-capitalists to socialist libertarians tends to identify with the Libertarian Party. Gary Johnson was/is somewhere in the middle-right, I'd guess.

albedoa 9y ago

I agree with you on all points. My main objection is against the claim that one cannot be far-right if he does not embrace political violence, despite all his other views. nailer is saying that Thiel cannot be far-right because he identifies as a libertarian, but it's Thiel's far-right views that would make him far-right, not his identity as a libertarian.

nailer 9y ago
> My main objection is against the claim that one cannot be far-right if he does not embrace political violence I haven't seen anything you post refute that point. Look at the examples given at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics - you'll see the KKK, EDL, Patriots of Ukraine, Blackshirts, etc - the common thread of these groups is their use of violence. > Thiel's far-right views that would make him far-right Thiel's views are fairly common libertarian / conservative views. The far right, is by nature, further to the right of regular right wing views.

yellowapple 9y ago

"You likely mean Libertarians, as in the Libertarian party, not libertarians in general." Even the Libertarian Party (in the US) is not necessarily "far-right". Libertarianism in general almost always leans heavily left on social issues by definition of libertarianism, and the Libertarian Party line is no exception AFAICT. This leaves the economic issues, and the full spectrum from anarcho-capitalists to socialist libertarians tends to identify with the Libertarian Party. Gary Johnson was/is somewhere in the middle-right, I'd guess.