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Why do you mention Safari and IE but but Firefox?

by catamorphismic 9y ago

catamorphismic 9y ago
*but not Can't edit from my mobile HN client.
kuschku 9y ago
Because Firefox already has implemented this.
- gcp 9y ago
  Custom settings for history -> Accept third party cookies (Always/Never/From visited). in case anyone is wondering.
  - dannysu 9y ago
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-preferences#w_how-do-i-change-cookie-settings https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cook... Link with pictures if anyone can't find it.
  - 0xffff2 9y ago
    Chrome, IE, and Safari all have options to disable third party cookies as well. This has been a standard browser option for decades.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      No, this is different. Firefox has an option to encapsulate third-party cookies by origin page. So, depending on if you click on a facebook like button on A.com or B.com, facebook sees two entirely separate browsers.
      - 0xffff2 9y ago
        This really isn't my area of expertise. Can you provide a link to what you're talking about? AFAIK, if you have third-party cookies set to "never", Facebook sees exactly the same (lack of) cookies no matter where I click on a like button outside of Facebook.com itself. So, if Firefox does what you say, I still don't see what it has to do with the third-party cookie option gcp pointed to. Also, in trying to figure out exactly what feature you're talking about, I've come across quite a lot of sources that suggest that Safari has similar or more strict default settings than Firefox regarding third-party cookies.
        kuschku 9y ago
        It's part of the container tabs concept, but automatically putting each first-level origin (what you see in the URL bar) into its own container. This is atm only an about:config option in Nightly.
        Pxtl 9y ago
        So how do you use this with systems that need it - can you log into the site for this "container"? Or would it leave the container when you go to the sign-in page? Like if I'm using Google or Facebook for single-sign-on, or I want to comment on a Disqus thread below a news article - since it's in its own container, I'm not logged in on this other site, but if I click a link to log in and it takes me away from this site, it takes me away from this container.
        kuschku 9y ago
        That's actually an interesting issue I had with it, in some versions that actually didn't work. But, somehow, now it does, and I don't know why (haven't read up on it yet). TL;DR: Can't tell you how, but it somehow works.
Pxtl 9y ago
Because Firefox no longer has the market share it once did and is not in a position to drive web standards like IE, Chrome, and Safari. If Apple decided to kill cookies for secondary requests, they would be dead just like Flash died.
falcolas 9y ago
Because these are the first party web browsers associated with the two most popular OSes - he didn't mention Chrome either. Firefox and Chrome doing the right thing won't help a large majority of non-technical users of the internet.
- Pxtl 9y ago
  I didn't mention Chrome because Google is an advertising company that benefits from cookie tracking and so I expect them to look out for their own interests.

Why do you mention Safari and IE but but Firefox?

catamorphismic 9y ago

*but not Can't edit from my mobile HN client.

kuschku 9y ago

Because Firefox already has implemented this.

gcp 9y ago
Custom settings for history -> Accept third party cookies (Always/Never/From visited). in case anyone is wondering.
- dannysu 9y ago
  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-preferences#w_how-do-i-change-cookie-settings https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cook... Link with pictures if anyone can't find it.
- 0xffff2 9y ago
  Chrome, IE, and Safari all have options to disable third party cookies as well. This has been a standard browser option for decades.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    No, this is different. Firefox has an option to encapsulate third-party cookies by origin page. So, depending on if you click on a facebook like button on A.com or B.com, facebook sees two entirely separate browsers.
    - 0xffff2 9y ago
      This really isn't my area of expertise. Can you provide a link to what you're talking about? AFAIK, if you have third-party cookies set to "never", Facebook sees exactly the same (lack of) cookies no matter where I click on a like button outside of Facebook.com itself. So, if Firefox does what you say, I still don't see what it has to do with the third-party cookie option gcp pointed to. Also, in trying to figure out exactly what feature you're talking about, I've come across quite a lot of sources that suggest that Safari has similar or more strict default settings than Firefox regarding third-party cookies.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        It's part of the container tabs concept, but automatically putting each first-level origin (what you see in the URL bar) into its own container. This is atm only an about:config option in Nightly.
        Pxtl 9y ago
        So how do you use this with systems that need it - can you log into the site for this "container"? Or would it leave the container when you go to the sign-in page? Like if I'm using Google or Facebook for single-sign-on, or I want to comment on a Disqus thread below a news article - since it's in its own container, I'm not logged in on this other site, but if I click a link to log in and it takes me away from this site, it takes me away from this container.
        kuschku 9y ago
        That's actually an interesting issue I had with it, in some versions that actually didn't work. But, somehow, now it does, and I don't know why (haven't read up on it yet). TL;DR: Can't tell you how, but it somehow works.

Pxtl 9y ago

Because Firefox no longer has the market share it once did and is not in a position to drive web standards like IE, Chrome, and Safari. If Apple decided to kill cookies for secondary requests, they would be dead just like Flash died.

falcolas 9y ago

Because these are the first party web browsers associated with the two most popular OSes - he didn't mention Chrome either. Firefox and Chrome doing the right thing won't help a large majority of non-technical users of the internet.

Pxtl 9y ago
I didn't mention Chrome because Google is an advertising company that benefits from cookie tracking and so I expect them to look out for their own interests.