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This was added to Pages earlier this year too.[0] I wonder what prompted these features, other than the fact that clicking around to enter equations is a memora

by tuanx5 9y ago

This was added to Pages earlier this year too.[0] I wonder what prompted these features, other than the fact that clicking around to enter equations is a memorable pain. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207569 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207569

Osmium 9y ago
though not Keynote (yet?) Mac's in-built but largely unknown Grapher app has the best equation editor I've used. Super easier to use, automatic sub/superscripting, and you can right-click to copy as LaTeX. Makes me sad that Grapher seems to be abandoned -- Apple invests a lot in pro apps, and consumer apps like Garageband. Where's the love for science/math? Surely the market is as large as the market for, say, musicians? There are a lot of engineers/scientists out there.
- dman 9y ago
  Math / science folks need to rebrand as "Creators" to get some love from Apple.
- Someone 9y ago
  As a workaround, you _can_ copy and paste equations between Pages and Keynote. It even round trips in the sense that you can edit an equation that was copy-pasted to Keynote by copying it back to Pages.
  - Osmium 9y ago
    This is really useful, thank you! As much as I love Keynote it'd be sooo useful to have native equation support, and native code syntax highlighting (can't they port this from XCode?)
- mtl_usr 9y ago
  It's been abandoned for quite some time. Apple is slowly pulling out of academia, where they used to shine quite well.
  - Osmium 9y ago
    Yeah, that's really sad. If Apple wants to get back into this, they'd be welcomed with open arms. If Grapher ever gets abandoned, I really hope they open source it. An update for the icons to be retina-ready, and moving the backend to Metal, and maybe easier integration into Keynote/Pages, would be all it needs to make a kiss-ass product. It'd be so far beyond anything anywhere else. Can you imagine how nice it would be for students to easily be able to embed/edit mathematical graphs into their documents? It's crazy, there's a whole generation of people who grew up with graphing calculators, and yet it's such an ordeal to do something similar in Pages or Numbers right now.
saagarjha 9y ago
Joke was that they needed it so that they could make their WWDC slides this year.
m_mueller 9y ago
Funny that, now it has Latex math but not even cross-references yet if I'm not mistaken. If it had that I'd love to just use Pages for simple academic stuff, but as-is it's pretty much useless.
chronial 9y ago
> other than the fact that clicking around to enter equations is a memorable pain. Office had full support for keyboard-only equations for 10 years now. What's new here is support for the exact latex synatax (which imho is worse than the office syntax).

by tuanx5 9y ago

Osmium 9y ago

though not Keynote (yet?) Mac's in-built but largely unknown Grapher app has the best equation editor I've used. Super easier to use, automatic sub/superscripting, and you can right-click to copy as LaTeX. Makes me sad that Grapher seems to be abandoned -- Apple invests a lot in pro apps, and consumer apps like Garageband. Where's the love for science/math? Surely the market is as large as the market for, say, musicians? There are a lot of engineers/scientists out there.

dman 9y ago
Math / science folks need to rebrand as "Creators" to get some love from Apple.
Someone 9y ago
As a workaround, you _can_ copy and paste equations between Pages and Keynote. It even round trips in the sense that you can edit an equation that was copy-pasted to Keynote by copying it back to Pages.
- Osmium 9y ago
  This is really useful, thank you! As much as I love Keynote it'd be sooo useful to have native equation support, and native code syntax highlighting (can't they port this from XCode?)
mtl_usr 9y ago
It's been abandoned for quite some time. Apple is slowly pulling out of academia, where they used to shine quite well.
- Osmium 9y ago
  Yeah, that's really sad. If Apple wants to get back into this, they'd be welcomed with open arms. If Grapher ever gets abandoned, I really hope they open source it. An update for the icons to be retina-ready, and moving the backend to Metal, and maybe easier integration into Keynote/Pages, would be all it needs to make a kiss-ass product. It'd be so far beyond anything anywhere else. Can you imagine how nice it would be for students to easily be able to embed/edit mathematical graphs into their documents? It's crazy, there's a whole generation of people who grew up with graphing calculators, and yet it's such an ordeal to do something similar in Pages or Numbers right now.

saagarjha 9y ago

Joke was that they needed it so that they could make their WWDC slides this year.

m_mueller 9y ago

Funny that, now it has Latex math but not even cross-references yet if I'm not mistaken. If it had that I'd love to just use Pages for simple academic stuff, but as-is it's pretty much useless.

chronial 9y ago

> other than the fact that clicking around to enter equations is a memorable pain. Office had full support for keyboard-only equations for 10 years now. What's new here is support for the exact latex synatax (which imho is worse than the office syntax).