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Of course it is. It's involuntary manslaughter (that's if you actually did forget, and didn't do it on purpose like some of those people). Punishable by up to 8

by 0xbear 9y ago

Of course it is. It's involuntary manslaughter (that's if you actually did forget, and didn't do it on purpose like some of those people). Punishable by up to 8 years in prison. Don't want to go to prison? Easy: don't leave your toddler alone in a locked car.

icebraining 9y ago
That's exactly what this article shows: it's not easy. It only deceptively seems so.
- 0xbear 9y ago
  I'm a parent, I don't need to read an article to be able to tell you it is easy. If you are with a kid, just take her with you or if you can't do so, don't bring your kid along. Billions of people manage just fine.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Please read the article. It's not about people who leave the kid in the car purposefully while they go do something else. It's about people who bring the kid in the car to drop them off somewhere, and they simply forget. Yes, it happens. Yes, to regular people. And yes, billions of people manage to do even this just fine. But it's a reasoning flaw - a well-known human bias - to assume that the people to whom it happens must be different somehow.
    - 0xbear 9y ago
      Yes, I've read it. Just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean it's not a crime. That's why it's called manslaughter and not murder, and that's why it carries a lower penalty.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        I don't dispute that it's a crime. The law - and its agents, like Mr. Morrogh - are often wicked enough for that. I disputed the claim that it's easy.
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      - Aloha 9y ago
        I'd argue as a non-parent they the guilt they'll carry around for life is enough.
mcguire 9y ago
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/involuntary+manslaughter http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/involuntary+ma... "In most states involuntary manslaughter results from an improper use of reasonable care or skill while performing a legal act, or [...]. "Many states do not define involuntary manslaughter, or define it vaguely in common-law terms. Some jurisdictions describe the amount of Negligence necessary to constitute manslaughter with terms such as criminal negligence, gross negligence, and culpable negligence. The only certainty that can be attached to these terms is that they require more than the ordinary negligence standard in a civil case. With this approach the state does not have to prove that the defendant was aware of the risk. "Other jurisdictions apply more subjective tests, such as "reckless" or "wanton," to describe the amount of negligence needed to constitute involuntary manslaughter. In this approach the defendant must have personally appreciated a risk and then chosen to take it anyway. What is the standard of reasonable care in these cases? What specific actions are necessary to demonstrate that reasonable care has been taken? What risk have the people in the article deliberately taken that is not also taken by the majority of parents?

by 0xbear 9y ago

icebraining 9y ago

That's exactly what this article shows: it's not easy. It only deceptively seems so.

0xbear 9y ago
I'm a parent, I don't need to read an article to be able to tell you it is easy. If you are with a kid, just take her with you or if you can't do so, don't bring your kid along. Billions of people manage just fine.
- icebraining 9y ago
  Please read the article. It's not about people who leave the kid in the car purposefully while they go do something else. It's about people who bring the kid in the car to drop them off somewhere, and they simply forget. Yes, it happens. Yes, to regular people. And yes, billions of people manage to do even this just fine. But it's a reasoning flaw - a well-known human bias - to assume that the people to whom it happens must be different somehow.
  - 0xbear 9y ago
    Yes, I've read it. Just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean it's not a crime. That's why it's called manslaughter and not murder, and that's why it carries a lower penalty.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      I don't dispute that it's a crime. The law - and its agents, like Mr. Morrogh - are often wicked enough for that. I disputed the claim that it's easy.
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
    - Aloha 9y ago
      I'd argue as a non-parent they the guilt they'll carry around for life is enough.

mcguire 9y ago

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/involuntary+manslaughter http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/involuntary+ma... "In most states involuntary manslaughter results from an improper use of reasonable care or skill while performing a legal act, or [...]. "Many states do not define involuntary manslaughter, or define it vaguely in common-law terms. Some jurisdictions describe the amount of Negligence necessary to constitute manslaughter with terms such as criminal negligence, gross negligence, and culpable negligence. The only certainty that can be attached to these terms is that they require more than the ordinary negligence standard in a civil case. With this approach the state does not have to prove that the defendant was aware of the risk. "Other jurisdictions apply more subjective tests, such as "reckless" or "wanton," to describe the amount of negligence needed to constitute involuntary manslaughter. In this approach the defendant must have personally appreciated a risk and then chosen to take it anyway. What is the standard of reasonable care in these cases? What specific actions are necessary to demonstrate that reasonable care has been taken? What risk have the people in the article deliberately taken that is not also taken by the majority of parents?