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I think I understand what you're saying, but have you considered that user accounts exist not only for putting email addresses in a mailing list? Anyway, what

I think I understand what you're saying, but have you considered that user accounts exist not only for putting email addresses in a mailing list? Anyway, what would you suggest?

brudgers 9y ago
My suggestion is to ignore login until there is a functional reason. Today, people landing on the page is pure gold. The important functional information is how they use the product. Sure, user accounts can exist for many reasons. Right now, there is no evidence that for this site right now the reasons are for my benefit. That's not to say in the wider world there are not people who would benefit from persistent identity in regard to a timeline making site. It is even possible that I might benefit from establishing a persistent identity, but there's no statement of a value proposition as to why nor do the possible reasons seem more likely than the idea that persistent identity is not for my benefit, and hence Occam's razor. Perhaps the reason is to use Facebook/email is to build Hacker News for timelines. Great, that's functional..once there is a social space, not now. If the login is to pitch an investor by showing uniques traction, it's non-functional.
- Jenkam 9y ago
  You can create a timeline without log it but if you want to save it, so..
  - brudgers 9y ago
    What I am most likely to want is just a gif/png/jpeg/svg that I can use elsewhere. I mean it looks like a great tool for creating timelines, but creating timelines doesn't seem like an end in itself.
    - fiatjaf 9y ago
      Go build your own timeline creator.
      - brudgers 9y ago
        Seems like a substantially greater cost than an email address and we have discussed how I feel about that.
      - detaro 9y ago
        How about we let people leave (friendly phrased) feedback, even if you disagree with it? The project creator is free to think about it what they want and ignore it if it doesn't match their plans, they don't need you telling people to go away.
- fiatjaf 9y ago
  Right, I understand. And I partially agree.

I think I understand what you're saying, but have you considered that user accounts exist not only for putting email addresses in a mailing list? Anyway, what would you suggest?

brudgers 9y ago

My suggestion is to ignore login until there is a functional reason. Today, people landing on the page is pure gold. The important functional information is how they use the product. Sure, user accounts can exist for many reasons. Right now, there is no evidence that for this site right now the reasons are for my benefit. That's not to say in the wider world there are not people who would benefit from persistent identity in regard to a timeline making site. It is even possible that I might benefit from establishing a persistent identity, but there's no statement of a value proposition as to why nor do the possible reasons seem more likely than the idea that persistent identity is not for my benefit, and hence Occam's razor. Perhaps the reason is to use Facebook/email is to build Hacker News for timelines. Great, that's functional..once there is a social space, not now. If the login is to pitch an investor by showing uniques traction, it's non-functional.

Jenkam 9y ago
You can create a timeline without log it but if you want to save it, so..
- brudgers 9y ago
  What I am most likely to want is just a gif/png/jpeg/svg that I can use elsewhere. I mean it looks like a great tool for creating timelines, but creating timelines doesn't seem like an end in itself.
  - fiatjaf 9y ago
    Go build your own timeline creator.
    - brudgers 9y ago
      Seems like a substantially greater cost than an email address and we have discussed how I feel about that.
    - detaro 9y ago
      How about we let people leave (friendly phrased) feedback, even if you disagree with it? The project creator is free to think about it what they want and ignore it if it doesn't match their plans, they don't need you telling people to go away.
fiatjaf 9y ago
Right, I understand. And I partially agree.