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I've had largely the same experiences. Recently I decided to challenge myself to instead keep it simple, rather than treat the whole thing as a "learn some new

by giobox 9y ago

I've had largely the same experiences. Recently I decided to challenge myself to instead keep it simple, rather than treat the whole thing as a "learn some new thing along the way" type exercise. The end result is I actually have a blog I'm actually writing on that is absurdly easy to maintain, rather than the usual (for me anyway!) 75 percent complete side project in some new technology I'll never get around to finishing. Simple VPS, webserver, letsencrypt, static site generator, cloud flare for CDN duties and a little CSS. All I do now is write a new article in Markdown every now and then, then run a simple shell script to regenerate the site and rsync the newly minted static pages to the server. Personal sites or new blogs are all too often victims of premature optimisation - your amazing google PageSpeed score is nice, but who cares if no one is reading.

cupcakestand 9y ago
> Simple VPS, webserver, letsencrypt, static site generator, cloud flare for CDN duties and a little CSS. Why didn't you host on Github Pages and you could have saved all that but having the same flexibilty regarding a SSG use case?
- giobox 9y ago
  That's a hugely popular option for sure, and great for a ton of static site use cases, but you do sacrifice the flexibility of deploying whatever the hell you want on your own VPS. Who knows what I might want to do in the future?
- corobo 9y ago
  > Why didn't you host on Github Pages Tried that once, fell down a 3 day rabbit hole trying all the static blog generators.. ended up picking WordPress.
  - ValentineC 9y ago
    > Tried that once, fell down a 3 day rabbit hole trying all the static blog generators.. ended up picking WordPress. I'm still falling through the very same hole. What made you pick WordPress?
    - corobo 9y ago
      Honestly no real reason other than it's the one I know and didn't want to spend any more time on finding software to write with instead of spending the time on writing Essentially it was the default option
      - ValentineC 9y ago
        Heh I can empathise. Two of my biggest reasons for wanting to move to a static site generator are actually to have actual control over the content (in markdown files, and because WordPress and its plugins do a fair bit of processing on the raw content), and because I'm more comfortable hacking in languages that aren't PHP. That seems to have stopped me from writing though.
        corobo 9y ago
        > more comfortable hacking in languages that aren't PHP Oddly enough it was the opposite of that for me. Each of the static site generators I looked at were non-PHP (which is fine but I lack the experience) I tell you what, if someone ever had a gun to my head and said "make this Ruby software work first time without errors" they might as well just pull the trigger
  - cookiecaper 9y ago
    Same. For all the times this is recommended, I haven't found a static blog generator that really works well. WordPress is still the easiest and most flexible to get running, but it's a PITA to keep it maintained. After trying Lektor (fine for general use, but hard to theme; no pre-baked templating/theming system at all) and Hugo (tbh I don't remember the exact thing here, but I got really frustrated trying to do something and ended up deciding that themeless Lektor was better), I'm now holding out hope that Ghost, while not a SSG, will be good and simple enough that I can self-host a "blog" without falling back to raw HTML editing or WordPress. Started out by having to edit the package dependencies to versions that work on recent versions of Node... :\
    - JoshMnem 9y ago
      Try Metalsmith if you want to poke around and write code. Try Hugo if you want something that works out of the box but that doesn't have a plugin system.
    - bschwindHN 9y ago
      Write your own generator, it's pretty easy! Blogs don't have to be fancy, most programming blogs need just paragraphs, images, and code blocks. Then you can add fancier features (interactive diagrams, fancy animations, a nice deployment pipeline, etc.) as you go along.
    - illuminea 9y ago
      We developed Strattic to solve the issue of difficult to maintain and optimize WordPress websites. Strattic publishes WordPress websites as static sites, and the origin site sits behind a login so it's only accessible to you. No server issues etc. Strattic is currently in beta: https://strattic.com https://strattic.com.
- soulwatcher 9y ago
  GitHub suspended my account because I used it to host a "for-profit" website, which led to the website being down for several days before I checked. I believe the last time I checked the TOS, no such mention was made for Github pages.
  - ValentineC 9y ago
    > GitHub suspended my account because I used it to host a "for-profit" website, which led to the website being down for several days before I checked. What kind of website were you hosting?
    - soulwatcher 9y ago
      A website for a car rental organization.
tomc1985 9y ago
> cloud flare for CDN duties Unless you're pulling a lot of traffic this isn't necessary
- giobox 9y ago
  True, but the free account is trivial to setup, and because entire site is static I can use cloud flare to cache the entire thing. They also have some nice features entirely unrelated to scale ("Always Online" is a good example). Given the barrier to doing this is virtually non-existent (it's a handful of clicks on the CloudFlare dashboard), seems silly not to take advantage.
  - tomc1985 9y ago
    Maybe... but everything was so wonderfully independent before Cloudflare gets dragged in

by giobox 9y ago

cupcakestand 9y ago

> Simple VPS, webserver, letsencrypt, static site generator, cloud flare for CDN duties and a little CSS. Why didn't you host on Github Pages and you could have saved all that but having the same flexibilty regarding a SSG use case?

giobox 9y ago
That's a hugely popular option for sure, and great for a ton of static site use cases, but you do sacrifice the flexibility of deploying whatever the hell you want on your own VPS. Who knows what I might want to do in the future?
corobo 9y ago
> Why didn't you host on Github Pages Tried that once, fell down a 3 day rabbit hole trying all the static blog generators.. ended up picking WordPress.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > Tried that once, fell down a 3 day rabbit hole trying all the static blog generators.. ended up picking WordPress. I'm still falling through the very same hole. What made you pick WordPress?
  - corobo 9y ago
    Honestly no real reason other than it's the one I know and didn't want to spend any more time on finding software to write with instead of spending the time on writing Essentially it was the default option
    - ValentineC 9y ago
      Heh I can empathise. Two of my biggest reasons for wanting to move to a static site generator are actually to have actual control over the content (in markdown files, and because WordPress and its plugins do a fair bit of processing on the raw content), and because I'm more comfortable hacking in languages that aren't PHP. That seems to have stopped me from writing though.
      - corobo 9y ago
        > more comfortable hacking in languages that aren't PHP Oddly enough it was the opposite of that for me. Each of the static site generators I looked at were non-PHP (which is fine but I lack the experience) I tell you what, if someone ever had a gun to my head and said "make this Ruby software work first time without errors" they might as well just pull the trigger
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  Same. For all the times this is recommended, I haven't found a static blog generator that really works well. WordPress is still the easiest and most flexible to get running, but it's a PITA to keep it maintained. After trying Lektor (fine for general use, but hard to theme; no pre-baked templating/theming system at all) and Hugo (tbh I don't remember the exact thing here, but I got really frustrated trying to do something and ended up deciding that themeless Lektor was better), I'm now holding out hope that Ghost, while not a SSG, will be good and simple enough that I can self-host a "blog" without falling back to raw HTML editing or WordPress. Started out by having to edit the package dependencies to versions that work on recent versions of Node... :\
  - JoshMnem 9y ago
    Try Metalsmith if you want to poke around and write code. Try Hugo if you want something that works out of the box but that doesn't have a plugin system.
  - bschwindHN 9y ago
    Write your own generator, it's pretty easy! Blogs don't have to be fancy, most programming blogs need just paragraphs, images, and code blocks. Then you can add fancier features (interactive diagrams, fancy animations, a nice deployment pipeline, etc.) as you go along.
  - illuminea 9y ago
    We developed Strattic to solve the issue of difficult to maintain and optimize WordPress websites. Strattic publishes WordPress websites as static sites, and the origin site sits behind a login so it's only accessible to you. No server issues etc. Strattic is currently in beta: https://strattic.com https://strattic.com.
soulwatcher 9y ago
GitHub suspended my account because I used it to host a "for-profit" website, which led to the website being down for several days before I checked. I believe the last time I checked the TOS, no such mention was made for Github pages.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > GitHub suspended my account because I used it to host a "for-profit" website, which led to the website being down for several days before I checked. What kind of website were you hosting?
  - soulwatcher 9y ago
    A website for a car rental organization.

tomc1985 9y ago

> cloud flare for CDN duties Unless you're pulling a lot of traffic this isn't necessary

giobox 9y ago
True, but the free account is trivial to setup, and because entire site is static I can use cloud flare to cache the entire thing. They also have some nice features entirely unrelated to scale ("Always Online" is a good example). Given the barrier to doing this is virtually non-existent (it's a handful of clicks on the CloudFlare dashboard), seems silly not to take advantage.
- tomc1985 9y ago
  Maybe... but everything was so wonderfully independent before Cloudflare gets dragged in