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Lived there once. (More info in my other reply.) They wanted 15k to bring electric lines half a mile. $6k for phone. We never did have electric outside of solar

Lived there once. (More info in my other reply.) They wanted 15k to bring electric lines half a mile. $6k for phone. We never did have electric outside of solar/wind/genarator. We had phone service via a device they installed that had a solar panel and an antenna that looked like this on it. https://cdn.instructables.com/FNY/J38K/GXQPMTQV/FNYJ38KGXQPMTQV.LARGE.jpg https://cdn.instructables.com/FNY/J38K/GXQPMTQV/FNYJ38KGXQPM... After a year or so they decided they needed it more in Alaska and they laid the line for free. Then waited a year to collect the equipment they so desperately needed in Alaska.

keithpeter 9y ago
Any chance of ADSL over that line they laid? At least a few Mbits/sec?
- jonah 9y ago
  Not in rural situations like that, the line length limits are pretty harsh on DSL.
jonah 9y ago
We had friends of friends growing up who used a 900 megahertz cordless phone with homemade directional antennas on the handset and base station to get phone service across the valley!
kalleboo 9y ago
It's interesting that it's so expensive to get electric service these days. I wonder how things actually looked in the heyday of the rural electrification board. My parents live in rural Australia (similarly 40 miles to the nearest supermarket) so I have some idea but obviously it's very different geography and a different a situation - they have electric and a rotten phone line (certainly can't reach 56K), but get their internet through a rooftop antenna connecting to 3G.
- rayiner 9y ago
  Probably similar: https://www.minnpost.com/mnopedia/2017/02/power-farmer-minnesota-and-rural-electrification-administration https://www.minnpost.com/mnopedia/2017/02/power-farmer-minne.... The article quotes $600 per mile in 1939. That's $10,500 per mile adjusted for inflation, but the inflation metric isn't a good one here. Inflation is calculated using consumer prices. The inputs for electric (or telecom) infrastructure are mainly labor and materials, which are relatively more expensive than they were back in 1940. For example, if you scale $600 by the change in minimum wage over that time, you get $20,500, about what's quoted.
  - xenadu02 9y ago
    It is my understanding that the REA charged a flat fee per home and ate the cost to the extent it exceeded the fee. They also setup generating stations and gave loans to power companies (and later rural telephone companies). A lot of that assistance isn't available anymore.

keithpeter 9y ago

Any chance of ADSL over that line they laid? At least a few Mbits/sec?

jonah 9y ago
Not in rural situations like that, the line length limits are pretty harsh on DSL.

jonah 9y ago

We had friends of friends growing up who used a 900 megahertz cordless phone with homemade directional antennas on the handset and base station to get phone service across the valley!

kalleboo 9y ago

It's interesting that it's so expensive to get electric service these days. I wonder how things actually looked in the heyday of the rural electrification board. My parents live in rural Australia (similarly 40 miles to the nearest supermarket) so I have some idea but obviously it's very different geography and a different a situation - they have electric and a rotten phone line (certainly can't reach 56K), but get their internet through a rooftop antenna connecting to 3G.

rayiner 9y ago
Probably similar: https://www.minnpost.com/mnopedia/2017/02/power-farmer-minnesota-and-rural-electrification-administration https://www.minnpost.com/mnopedia/2017/02/power-farmer-minne.... The article quotes $600 per mile in 1939. That's $10,500 per mile adjusted for inflation, but the inflation metric isn't a good one here. Inflation is calculated using consumer prices. The inputs for electric (or telecom) infrastructure are mainly labor and materials, which are relatively more expensive than they were back in 1940. For example, if you scale $600 by the change in minimum wage over that time, you get $20,500, about what's quoted.
- xenadu02 9y ago
  It is my understanding that the REA charged a flat fee per home and ate the cost to the extent it exceeded the fee. They also setup generating stations and gave loans to power companies (and later rural telephone companies). A lot of that assistance isn't available anymore.