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"one of the benefits of unfettered access to Blackberry communications is the potential for economic spying on multinationals with offices in India" This is al

"one of the benefits of unfettered access to Blackberry communications is the potential for economic spying on multinationals with offices in India" This is all very James Bond-ey, but anyone who works with the Indian govt and its electronics surveillance infrastructure and agencies (I do) knows it is no shape to do and has no intent of doing any kind of effective "economic spying". That's China not India. Wrong country. On the other hand there have been instances of non-state actors using Blackberries to communicate with some very nasty people. I personally don't agree with the need to have access to all Blackberry communication to track these people down, but bureaucrats aren't very technical. The intent is security, not economic spying. If you have any data or personal experience pointing the other way, I'd love to hear it.

borisk 16y ago
Get real, there will be leaks of business data if this goes throught. Indian administration is already very corrupt at all levels.
- plinkplonk 16y ago
  In other words you have no data or facts of any kind. Any instances of organized economic espionage as a policy by the Indian Government from before the days of the BlackBerry? I thought not. "Get Real" isn't an argument. Any instances of corrupt bureaucrats (they exist, sure) using an Intelligence Agency to expedite their corruption by intercepting Multinational Communications? Any instances of non blackberry spying on Multinationals, hacking into their computers etc(like what happened with Google in China)? Do tell.
  - borisk 16y ago
    I see, Indian government hires only super humans, who never ever take a bribe. http://www.google.com/search?q=india+bribe http://www.google.com/search?q=india+bribe
    - plinkplonk 16y ago
      The point is not whether individuals take bribes. Of course some do. The subject under discussion is your implication that the request for decrypted BlackBerry data (which is being driven by the Intelligence agencies and the Home ministry) is done so with an intention to facilitate such bribery by intercepting multinational communications. US senators are bribed too. That doesn't mean that the CIA , the DHS or the NSA makes it their business to facilitate such corruption or that any anti terrorism policy adopted by the US government is automatically targeted towards benefiting such bribe takers. The latter accusation would need more proof then "Well in my ignorant paranoia I think this would happen" . Do you also believe that the US Govt brought down the Twin Towers? After all not everyone in the US Govt is a superhuman patriot who would never work against his own country? After all many foreigners think (with good reason) that the US is a very warmongering country. Is that a good enough rationale?
      - borisk 16y ago
        "The subject under discussion is your implication that the request for decrypted BlackBerry data (which is being driven by the Intelligence agencies and the Home ministry) is done so with an intention to facilitate such bribery by intercepting multinational communications." Really? I must have misspelled something ;)
      - briansmith 16y ago
        Regardless of the intent, it opens the door for abuse. It's like leaving a loaded gun in your baby's crib. Regardless of your good intentions, the potential for something to go bad is too great for it to be worthwhile.
GiraffeNecktie 16y ago
If it is not currently able to do effective economic spying, it soon will be (once this legislation is in place). China is hardly the only country to do economic spying. It's more the norm than the exception. To claim otherwise is either naive or disingenuous.

borisk 16y ago

Get real, there will be leaks of business data if this goes throught. Indian administration is already very corrupt at all levels.

plinkplonk 16y ago
In other words you have no data or facts of any kind. Any instances of organized economic espionage as a policy by the Indian Government from before the days of the BlackBerry? I thought not. "Get Real" isn't an argument. Any instances of corrupt bureaucrats (they exist, sure) using an Intelligence Agency to expedite their corruption by intercepting Multinational Communications? Any instances of non blackberry spying on Multinationals, hacking into their computers etc(like what happened with Google in China)? Do tell.
- borisk 16y ago
  I see, Indian government hires only super humans, who never ever take a bribe. http://www.google.com/search?q=india+bribe http://www.google.com/search?q=india+bribe
  - plinkplonk 16y ago
    The point is not whether individuals take bribes. Of course some do. The subject under discussion is your implication that the request for decrypted BlackBerry data (which is being driven by the Intelligence agencies and the Home ministry) is done so with an intention to facilitate such bribery by intercepting multinational communications. US senators are bribed too. That doesn't mean that the CIA , the DHS or the NSA makes it their business to facilitate such corruption or that any anti terrorism policy adopted by the US government is automatically targeted towards benefiting such bribe takers. The latter accusation would need more proof then "Well in my ignorant paranoia I think this would happen" . Do you also believe that the US Govt brought down the Twin Towers? After all not everyone in the US Govt is a superhuman patriot who would never work against his own country? After all many foreigners think (with good reason) that the US is a very warmongering country. Is that a good enough rationale?
    - borisk 16y ago
      "The subject under discussion is your implication that the request for decrypted BlackBerry data (which is being driven by the Intelligence agencies and the Home ministry) is done so with an intention to facilitate such bribery by intercepting multinational communications." Really? I must have misspelled something ;)
    - briansmith 16y ago
      Regardless of the intent, it opens the door for abuse. It's like leaving a loaded gun in your baby's crib. Regardless of your good intentions, the potential for something to go bad is too great for it to be worthwhile.

GiraffeNecktie 16y ago

If it is not currently able to do effective economic spying, it soon will be (once this legislation is in place). China is hardly the only country to do economic spying. It's more the norm than the exception. To claim otherwise is either naive or disingenuous.