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Google ended up losing the entire Chinese market to Baidu, who are going to end up being a global competitor, and the general population didn't even care that G
by gareim 9y ago
Google ended up losing the entire Chinese market to Baidu, who are going to end up being a global competitor, and the general population didn't even care that Google left. Apple learned from this that you could be a big deal in the West, but a nobody in the East.
- imron 9y agoTo be fair, they'd more or less already lost the entire Chinese market to Baidu before they left anyway (they had ~15% marketshare or something).
- fma 9y agoAnecdote...my Chinese friends have said Google was poor for Chinese language searches. Might explain the 15% market share.
- 1_2__4 9y agoGoogle lost nothing. China never had any intention of allowing Google to become dominant in China. That was apparent from day one and comports perfectly with their explicitly stated and demonstrated agenda.
- ethbro 9y agoAgreed. When the explicit goal of arbitrarily changed rules are "We'll screw you in favor of a local competitor", why would you choose to play? Either you are successful, and then the rules are changed to disadvantage you further. Or you're unsuccessful because of the rules. Lose / lose.
- jonny_eh 9y agoOr you lose because you lose fair and square. But you're right, either way you can't win.
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- xbmcuser 9y agoApple will loose in China because of blocking these apps as well this will be another reason to not buy Apple for many.
- mwfunk 9y agoI don't understand what you're saying. The alternative is not doing business in China at all, how would they sell more phones in China by getting out of the Chinese market, vs staying in China and complying with the government's demands? I'm very curious about what your market research indicates, because it sounds like a contradiction.
- geoffpado 9y agoI think what xbmcuser is saying is that Apple is screwed either way: don't pull the apps and be kicked out of China altogether, or pull the apps and lose a competitive advantage. Not that Apple would lose _more_ this way, simply that they still lose.
- xbmcuser 9y agoYeah that's what I meant either way Apple is going to loose it stays in China or not. They already stopped weechat Payments etc now they are stopping vpn apps so another reason for people in china not to use Apple. I bet in a few years or so China will make using foreign phones about national pride once that happens all other phone manufacturers including Apple will be sidelined.
- Grue3 9y ago>who are going to end up being a global competitor They already demonstrated they cannot compete without help from the government. It's an inferior product that can only succeed because the better competitors are banned. Kind of like iPhone default browser.
- bogomipz 9y agoChina was never going to be Google's to win in the first place based on their refusal to censor searches. In 2010 Google had 36% of the search market in China[1], so I imagine that "the general population" did care. Also I'm pretty that Google isn't a nobody in "The East", The East is much more than just mainland China. [1] https://www.slideshare.net/anksiitk/googles-negotiations-with-the-chinese-government-in-2010 https://www.slideshare.net/anksiitk/googles-negotiations-wit...