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most North American non-truck vehicles are not rated for towing _at all_ Not just that, but his $300 trailer probably doesn't have brakes. It's lunacy to tow 2

most North American non-truck vehicles are not rated for towing _at all_ Not just that, but his $300 trailer probably doesn't have brakes. It's lunacy to tow 2500 unbraked pounds behind a Honda Fit.

teekert 9y ago
Any idea as to why is this different from the EU? My 2006 Ford Focus C-max van pull up to 1200 kg (= 2650 pound, braked, 665 kg unbraked) legally here.
- PhantomGremlin 9y ago
  665 kg unbraked That works out to 1466 pounds. The guy was towing 2500 pounds with a Honda Fit that (unless it's a hybrid) weighs less than 2400 lbs for the car itself. Do you think the Fit's brakes are designed to safely stop 2x the design weight? Plus the stability just wouldn't be there. Plus any appreciable "tongue weight" behind the back wheels will make the front end light. Bad for control. Wikipedia touches on the issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towing#Towing_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towing#Towing_safety Here's another counterexample. The Porsche Cayenne can tow 7716 pounds (3500 kilos) braked, but only 1653 pounds (750 kilos) unbraked. And it's a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the subcompact Fit: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-models/cayenne/featuresandspecs/ http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-models/cay...
- masklinn 9y ago
  Your C-Max is 1.4~1.5t (depending on model) pulling 1.2t braked or 0.66t unbraked so you can pull ~45% of your car's weight unbraked, ~80% braked. The Fit is 1t and was pulling 1.1t unbraked, 110% of its weight.
- cmrdporcupine 9y ago
  I always assumed it was just a combination of regulatory body idiocy and caution on the side of car manufaturers. So I didn't feel bad putting a hitch on my diesel Jetta and towing a trailer with it because it was rated for at least 2500 lbs in Europe. But a friend who is more auto-literate looked into it and said in Europe the way trailers are positioned is different somehow such that the weight on the hitch is different. Also more aggressive speed limits on trailers and other safety regulations enforced on the drivers. So I don't know, it might actually be partially legitimate.

most North American non-truck vehicles are not rated for towing _at all_ Not just that, but his $300 trailer probably doesn't have brakes. It's lunacy to tow 2500 unbraked pounds behind a Honda Fit.

teekert 9y ago

Any idea as to why is this different from the EU? My 2006 Ford Focus C-max van pull up to 1200 kg (= 2650 pound, braked, 665 kg unbraked) legally here.

PhantomGremlin 9y ago
665 kg unbraked That works out to 1466 pounds. The guy was towing 2500 pounds with a Honda Fit that (unless it's a hybrid) weighs less than 2400 lbs for the car itself. Do you think the Fit's brakes are designed to safely stop 2x the design weight? Plus the stability just wouldn't be there. Plus any appreciable "tongue weight" behind the back wheels will make the front end light. Bad for control. Wikipedia touches on the issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towing#Towing_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towing#Towing_safety Here's another counterexample. The Porsche Cayenne can tow 7716 pounds (3500 kilos) braked, but only 1653 pounds (750 kilos) unbraked. And it's a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the subcompact Fit: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-models/cayenne/featuresandspecs/ http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-models/cay...
masklinn 9y ago
Your C-Max is 1.4~1.5t (depending on model) pulling 1.2t braked or 0.66t unbraked so you can pull ~45% of your car's weight unbraked, ~80% braked. The Fit is 1t and was pulling 1.1t unbraked, 110% of its weight.
cmrdporcupine 9y ago
I always assumed it was just a combination of regulatory body idiocy and caution on the side of car manufaturers. So I didn't feel bad putting a hitch on my diesel Jetta and towing a trailer with it because it was rated for at least 2500 lbs in Europe. But a friend who is more auto-literate looked into it and said in Europe the way trailers are positioned is different somehow such that the weight on the hitch is different. Also more aggressive speed limits on trailers and other safety regulations enforced on the drivers. So I don't know, it might actually be partially legitimate.