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I love this frank response from the safe manufacturer: '... speaking to Wired magazine earlier this month, when the team demonstrated its method on a smaller s

I love this frank response from the safe manufacturer: '... speaking to Wired magazine earlier this month, when the team demonstrated its method on a smaller safe, a spokeswoman for the safe maker said: "In this environment, the product accomplished what it was designed to do."'

ChuckMcM 9y ago
It is designed to trick people into building robots to open it? :-) More seriously though, I consulted a friend and neighbor when buying a safe for my home. This person who owns a locksmith shop and is a registered locksmith (and has been for > 20 years) asked me to look up the median response time of the police to my address. Since I live near the police station it was fairly small. He said you only need a safe that can last 15 - 20 minutes and you will need to anchor it so that it can't be easily yanked out of your house. Any professional thief will skip it and it may keep an amateur working on it long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them in the act. That made a lot of sense to me.
- micaksica 9y ago
  You bought a TL-15 safe for your home? Where did you place it? Even the smaller TL-15 safes weigh hundreds of pounds and require some logistics to place. They are very impractical for most apartment dweller types, or even some high-density, old-construction flats because of their weight.
  - cantrevealname 9y ago
    > Even the smaller TL-15 safes weigh hundreds of pounds I've seen a TL-15 safe that came as 6 separate modular pieces (i.e., 5 walls and the door each weighing about 100-150 pounds) that you bolted together, internally, with about 50-60 heavy bolts. It was specifically intended for condos, high rise offices, etc., so you could easily transport each piece on a hand cart or dolly, then assemble in place. It was a beautiful design, but no longer manufactured as far as I can tell.
  - ChuckMcM 9y ago
    > You bought a TL-15 safe for your home? Yes I did. It did not weigh hundreds of pounds. Its location was constrained a bit by where it could be secured to the structure but not unreasonably so. And it wasn't like I've got paintings or something in it, just stuff that if the house burned down I'd want to have survive and a few things I'd rather other folks not have (like passports).
    - sobani 9y ago
      From this thread I've learned that a people-resistant safe might not be fire-resistant. Please check if your safe can actually handle heat and water.
      - ChuckMcM 9y ago
        That is correct, and something to specify when buying a safe. In our case I was actually replacing a fire safe that my wife had bought at CostCo so fire resistance was a 'must have' feature. It has has our critical documents in it and a key to the safe deposit box where actually valuable but not something you might need to get out at home stuff is kept.

ChuckMcM 9y ago

It is designed to trick people into building robots to open it? :-) More seriously though, I consulted a friend and neighbor when buying a safe for my home. This person who owns a locksmith shop and is a registered locksmith (and has been for > 20 years) asked me to look up the median response time of the police to my address. Since I live near the police station it was fairly small. He said you only need a safe that can last 15 - 20 minutes and you will need to anchor it so that it can't be easily yanked out of your house. Any professional thief will skip it and it may keep an amateur working on it long enough for the police to arrive and arrest them in the act. That made a lot of sense to me.

micaksica 9y ago
You bought a TL-15 safe for your home? Where did you place it? Even the smaller TL-15 safes weigh hundreds of pounds and require some logistics to place. They are very impractical for most apartment dweller types, or even some high-density, old-construction flats because of their weight.
- cantrevealname 9y ago
  > Even the smaller TL-15 safes weigh hundreds of pounds I've seen a TL-15 safe that came as 6 separate modular pieces (i.e., 5 walls and the door each weighing about 100-150 pounds) that you bolted together, internally, with about 50-60 heavy bolts. It was specifically intended for condos, high rise offices, etc., so you could easily transport each piece on a hand cart or dolly, then assemble in place. It was a beautiful design, but no longer manufactured as far as I can tell.
- ChuckMcM 9y ago
  > You bought a TL-15 safe for your home? Yes I did. It did not weigh hundreds of pounds. Its location was constrained a bit by where it could be secured to the structure but not unreasonably so. And it wasn't like I've got paintings or something in it, just stuff that if the house burned down I'd want to have survive and a few things I'd rather other folks not have (like passports).
  - sobani 9y ago
    From this thread I've learned that a people-resistant safe might not be fire-resistant. Please check if your safe can actually handle heat and water.
    - ChuckMcM 9y ago
      That is correct, and something to specify when buying a safe. In our case I was actually replacing a fire safe that my wife had bought at CostCo so fire resistance was a 'must have' feature. It has has our critical documents in it and a key to the safe deposit box where actually valuable but not something you might need to get out at home stuff is kept.