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You don't have to censor it! You just have to categorize it! Use all the fancy recommendation algorithms to let the scholars scholar, and the trolls happily tro

You don't have to censor it! You just have to categorize it! Use all the fancy recommendation algorithms to let the scholars scholar, and the trolls happily troll with other trolls. Users get a birds eye view of everything, and can zoom in on the content they are looking for. You don't even need an algorithm, you can crowdsource this stuff with simple moderation tools, just a little more sophisticated than an up/down button, and don't notify me for content that i dont appreciate.

moxious 9y ago
Most will argue that categorizing out of the default is still hiding content. You can go to reddit and browse the negative posts but who does? It's really a battle for default display under the correct assumption that the user base doesn't look any further. It's about whether you're part of the public dialogue or whether you're relegated to some back alley
jordigh 9y ago
> the trolls happily troll with other trolls I'm pretty sure even that's a bad solution. That's how we got 4chan and T_D and eventually Trump. https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-...
smsm42 9y ago
Categorization is often a very short distance away from censorship, if it is made in terms of value judgements such as "toxic". > Use all the fancy recommendation algorithms to let the scholars scholar, and the trolls happily troll with other trolls. The problem is that this algorithm has nothing to do with scholarly value of the uterring, while it will be widely perceived as an objective judgement on such value. If you call somebody a "troll", it's just your opinion, if you use blackbox algorithm to do it, it's kinda objective truth. That's the worrying part - because there's no evidence blackbox algorithm is better, and actually so far plenty of evidence it's worse.
- dustingetz 9y ago
  IRL i am free to choose who i talk to and who i allow to talk to me
  - smsm42 9y ago
    But not by using blackbox bots.

moxious 9y ago

Most will argue that categorizing out of the default is still hiding content. You can go to reddit and browse the negative posts but who does? It's really a battle for default display under the correct assumption that the user base doesn't look any further. It's about whether you're part of the public dialogue or whether you're relegated to some back alley

jordigh 9y ago

> the trolls happily troll with other trolls I'm pretty sure even that's a bad solution. That's how we got 4chan and T_D and eventually Trump. https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-...

smsm42 9y ago

Categorization is often a very short distance away from censorship, if it is made in terms of value judgements such as "toxic". > Use all the fancy recommendation algorithms to let the scholars scholar, and the trolls happily troll with other trolls. The problem is that this algorithm has nothing to do with scholarly value of the uterring, while it will be widely perceived as an objective judgement on such value. If you call somebody a "troll", it's just your opinion, if you use blackbox algorithm to do it, it's kinda objective truth. That's the worrying part - because there's no evidence blackbox algorithm is better, and actually so far plenty of evidence it's worse.

dustingetz 9y ago
IRL i am free to choose who i talk to and who i allow to talk to me
- smsm42 9y ago
  But not by using blackbox bots.