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I agree in principal, but realistically I'm not sure that you can reduce the cancer-causing agents because some of them are the result of burning plant matter n

I agree in principal, but realistically I'm not sure that you can reduce the cancer-causing agents because some of them are the result of burning plant matter not additives. I think the idea they are working on is to make the product less addictive and thereby easier to quit using.

opportune 9y ago
Well, for starters vapes/ecigarretes entirely avoid the cancer-causing agents of tobacco while still having nicotine. So it's pretty possible to do that for very cheap.
- camiller 9y ago
  Except that when that liquid does hit the vaporizing bit it does create some carcinogens. Too early to tell if less/same/more carcinogenic. also,... popcorn lung.
  - Semaphor 9y ago
    Popcorn lung was a great example of the industry self regulating IMO. Reputable vendors all removed the problematic ingredient. Also, wasn't that whole thing overblown? I didn't follow it to closely so take this with a heap of salt, but I remember reading that the amount was way below problematic amounts even for heavy vapers.
  - jdietrich 9y ago
    >Too early to tell if less/same/more carcinogenic Absolutely not. There is a substantial body of evidence showing that e-cigarette vapor is vastly less carcinogenic than tobacco smoke if the coil temperature is kept below ~220°C. Fortunately, the market is now awash with devices that have accurate temperature control. The issue of diacetyl was potentially significant, but is now mostly fixed. Reputable manufacturers are aware of the toxicity of diacetyl and have overwhelmingly removed it from their products. Diacetyl is expected to disappear completely from e-cigarette products under the new regulatory regimes in the US and the EU. Cigarette smoke contains far greater concentrations of diacetyl than even the worst e-cigarette products tested. This announcement by the FDA shows a clear intention to transition current smokers from combustible cigarettes to alternative nicotine delivery systems; this reflects the overwhelming body of evidence for the greatly reduced harms associated with e-cigarettes. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169811 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377270/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377270/ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463916000158 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463916... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tox.20153/abstract;jsessionid=A856EAAE853683847D37DC0F49231593.f02t01 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tox.20153/abstrac... https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article-abstract/17/2/168/2858003/Evaluation-of-Electronic-Cigarette-Liquids-and?rss=1 https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article-abstract/17/2/168/28580...

opportune 9y ago

Well, for starters vapes/ecigarretes entirely avoid the cancer-causing agents of tobacco while still having nicotine. So it's pretty possible to do that for very cheap.

camiller 9y ago
Except that when that liquid does hit the vaporizing bit it does create some carcinogens. Too early to tell if less/same/more carcinogenic. also,... popcorn lung.
- Semaphor 9y ago
  Popcorn lung was a great example of the industry self regulating IMO. Reputable vendors all removed the problematic ingredient. Also, wasn't that whole thing overblown? I didn't follow it to closely so take this with a heap of salt, but I remember reading that the amount was way below problematic amounts even for heavy vapers.
- jdietrich 9y ago
  >Too early to tell if less/same/more carcinogenic Absolutely not. There is a substantial body of evidence showing that e-cigarette vapor is vastly less carcinogenic than tobacco smoke if the coil temperature is kept below ~220°C. Fortunately, the market is now awash with devices that have accurate temperature control. The issue of diacetyl was potentially significant, but is now mostly fixed. Reputable manufacturers are aware of the toxicity of diacetyl and have overwhelmingly removed it from their products. Diacetyl is expected to disappear completely from e-cigarette products under the new regulatory regimes in the US and the EU. Cigarette smoke contains far greater concentrations of diacetyl than even the worst e-cigarette products tested. This announcement by the FDA shows a clear intention to transition current smokers from combustible cigarettes to alternative nicotine delivery systems; this reflects the overwhelming body of evidence for the greatly reduced harms associated with e-cigarettes. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169811 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377270/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5377270/ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463916000158 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463916... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tox.20153/abstract;jsessionid=A856EAAE853683847D37DC0F49231593.f02t01 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tox.20153/abstrac... https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article-abstract/17/2/168/2858003/Evaluation-of-Electronic-Cigarette-Liquids-and?rss=1 https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article-abstract/17/2/168/28580...