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Go into it with the attitude of 'deferal of gratitude'. In other words it might look painful for a while but when various things click you get your holy s momen

by Subi 9y ago

Go into it with the attitude of 'deferal of gratitude'. In other words it might look painful for a while but when various things click you get your holy s moments and you'll never go back. I've worked in a lot of java, php, python, c# etc frameworks and there are very specific reasons this is near always better long term. A lot of it comes back to elixir simply solving the correct problems. Learn elixir using the elixir lang site guides and then jump into phoenix using their official guides. Eventually you'll experience the upsides and versatility

goatlover 9y ago
By correct you mean that Elixir solves problems differently than java, php, python, etc. and you found this more appealing over time, which may or may not be the case for someone else. Or are you making a stronger claim that language X is better than Y, at least when it comes to web dev?
- Subi 9y ago
  No I don't mean it in a way that is subjective. It does depend on person to person because of factors in their knowledge and situation, history etc etc, but elixir lives in a world that the others don't. Making a language that plays on the erlang vm and has complete access to OTP was a good solve. Other languages haven't been able to replicate OTP despite attempts (and they likely won't). It's not better for everything and the language isn't somehow obviuosly better, it just solved the right problem if you want easy web scale that doesn't do things like drop connections when you release or have a difficult concurrency model. Functional programming is a grind at first but it's a good fit for this world and elixir is more accessable day to day than erlang. I have way more experience with PHP but there are limitations there that can't be solved. So I would say that both your points apply, I am making the claim that X is better than Y because of core value reasons, but that doesn't mean that economically other languages don't make sense for web programming. I still make new projects in PHP and Python because of existing infra at work and others that can't/won't learn elixir and co. We'll just be making something slightly inferior and not be building tools for a more pleasant future, but it still makes money for the biz and isn't terrible
vfclists 9y ago
You mean `deferral of gratification`. I couldn't help myself.
- Subi 9y ago
  hah! thanks honestly. I need to bring up this term more often than you'd think and without thinking about it got it wrong probably almost every time

by Subi 9y ago

goatlover 9y ago

By correct you mean that Elixir solves problems differently than java, php, python, etc. and you found this more appealing over time, which may or may not be the case for someone else. Or are you making a stronger claim that language X is better than Y, at least when it comes to web dev?

Subi 9y ago
No I don't mean it in a way that is subjective. It does depend on person to person because of factors in their knowledge and situation, history etc etc, but elixir lives in a world that the others don't. Making a language that plays on the erlang vm and has complete access to OTP was a good solve. Other languages haven't been able to replicate OTP despite attempts (and they likely won't). It's not better for everything and the language isn't somehow obviuosly better, it just solved the right problem if you want easy web scale that doesn't do things like drop connections when you release or have a difficult concurrency model. Functional programming is a grind at first but it's a good fit for this world and elixir is more accessable day to day than erlang. I have way more experience with PHP but there are limitations there that can't be solved. So I would say that both your points apply, I am making the claim that X is better than Y because of core value reasons, but that doesn't mean that economically other languages don't make sense for web programming. I still make new projects in PHP and Python because of existing infra at work and others that can't/won't learn elixir and co. We'll just be making something slightly inferior and not be building tools for a more pleasant future, but it still makes money for the biz and isn't terrible

vfclists 9y ago

You mean `deferral of gratification`. I couldn't help myself.

Subi 9y ago
hah! thanks honestly. I need to bring up this term more often than you'd think and without thinking about it got it wrong probably almost every time