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Unfortunately I suspect I know the type he is referring too; I've had my fair share of attacks from them over the years. And they (you?) are not doing very wel

by ErrantX 16y ago

Unfortunately I suspect I know the type he is referring too; I've had my fair share of attacks from them over the years. And they (you?) are not doing very well at "educating" us. Mostly it verges from amusingly incoherent to downright disturbing :)

kiba 16y ago
Unfortunately I suspect I know the type he is referring too; I've had my fair share of attacks from them over the years. And they (you?) are not doing very well at "educating" +us. Mostly it verges from amusingly incoherent to downright disturbing :) You can call these people "amusingly incoherent" to "downright disturbing" if you want. It doesn't mean anything about the truth that these people try to explain to you, with everything and anything they have. Every single examples, and every business models big, small, and in between, they will throw out at you. Every single moral, ethical, and economic arguments they employ in their arsenal, thrown out at you. Every single historical evidences, they will dig up. Meanwhile, musicians and record labels and criticize and rationalize away anything and everything. They rather not give out anything and earn a million dollars in return. What these people have for you, is good news. It's very frustrating to see people not take it. These young men might have been your biggest fans, fellow musicians and artists, successful entrepreneurs or just a person well versed in economics dealing with non-scarcity.
- ErrantX 16y ago
  It doesn't mean anything about the truth that these people try to explain to you, with everything and anything they have. If they represent the truth I feel very worried for our future :( Taking a random recent (verbatim) example I recieved: fuk u and ur fucking fancy words why do u hav the right to tell me what I cant do fuk u edit: for context it was after I posted this -> http://www.errant.me.uk/blog/2010/06/that-piracy-thing-again/ http://www.errant.me.uk/blog/2010/06/that-piracy-thing-again... I suspect (from your last post) that we are talking about two vastly different sort of people :) certainly I don't see you sending that sort of message (I could be wrong, if you do - please stop it's boring) These people don't really have good news; they, for the most part, don't have a new business model to offer. Mostly they just have insults and a "god given" right to whatever they want (almost on a level with "music co.s" god given right to demand money). I find both sides puerile, inconsistent and useless. On the other hand for the rest of us there are new revenue models that are slowly gaining popularity. When we can distract the media corps from replying to obnoxious emails and pursuing frivolous lawsuits it will probably all start to fall into place But there is no god given right for anyone to expect something of mine, yours or anyone else's for free. No matter how much or how eloquently it is argued :)
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  - kiba 16y ago
    I don't see the point of attacking somebody that I have copied from.(Well, dropping the F bombs instead of having an actual debate) There is no need to economically support someone indirectly or directly that doesn't share what I believed. Therefore, I would look somewhere else. I believe that I have every right to sell something, but I do not believe that I have right to control every single copies in the world. I have sold to them a copy of my software. Even if I put a contract that said you must "eat cereals everyday or you will forfeit the copy", it is still their. Good luck for me, trying to enforce what is essentially unenforceable. Do I believe that people don't have the right to expect to profit? Sure. Do I believe that people don't have the right to expect anything for free? Sure. The difference between you and me is that we understand these things in different terms. For me, laws do not matter to me, ethics does. Even if the laws were repealed for murder, I would still believe that murders is wrong and that people should be punished for it.

by ErrantX 16y ago

kiba 16y ago

Unfortunately I suspect I know the type he is referring too; I've had my fair share of attacks from them over the years. And they (you?) are not doing very well at "educating" +us. Mostly it verges from amusingly incoherent to downright disturbing :) You can call these people "amusingly incoherent" to "downright disturbing" if you want. It doesn't mean anything about the truth that these people try to explain to you, with everything and anything they have. Every single examples, and every business models big, small, and in between, they will throw out at you. Every single moral, ethical, and economic arguments they employ in their arsenal, thrown out at you. Every single historical evidences, they will dig up. Meanwhile, musicians and record labels and criticize and rationalize away anything and everything. They rather not give out anything and earn a million dollars in return. What these people have for you, is good news. It's very frustrating to see people not take it. These young men might have been your biggest fans, fellow musicians and artists, successful entrepreneurs or just a person well versed in economics dealing with non-scarcity.

ErrantX 16y ago
It doesn't mean anything about the truth that these people try to explain to you, with everything and anything they have. If they represent the truth I feel very worried for our future :( Taking a random recent (verbatim) example I recieved: fuk u and ur fucking fancy words why do u hav the right to tell me what I cant do fuk u edit: for context it was after I posted this -> http://www.errant.me.uk/blog/2010/06/that-piracy-thing-again/ http://www.errant.me.uk/blog/2010/06/that-piracy-thing-again... I suspect (from your last post) that we are talking about two vastly different sort of people :) certainly I don't see you sending that sort of message (I could be wrong, if you do - please stop it's boring) These people don't really have good news; they, for the most part, don't have a new business model to offer. Mostly they just have insults and a "god given" right to whatever they want (almost on a level with "music co.s" god given right to demand money). I find both sides puerile, inconsistent and useless. On the other hand for the rest of us there are new revenue models that are slowly gaining popularity. When we can distract the media corps from replying to obnoxious emails and pursuing frivolous lawsuits it will probably all start to fall into place But there is no god given right for anyone to expect something of mine, yours or anyone else's for free. No matter how much or how eloquently it is argued :)
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- kiba 16y ago
  I don't see the point of attacking somebody that I have copied from.(Well, dropping the F bombs instead of having an actual debate) There is no need to economically support someone indirectly or directly that doesn't share what I believed. Therefore, I would look somewhere else. I believe that I have every right to sell something, but I do not believe that I have right to control every single copies in the world. I have sold to them a copy of my software. Even if I put a contract that said you must "eat cereals everyday or you will forfeit the copy", it is still their. Good luck for me, trying to enforce what is essentially unenforceable. Do I believe that people don't have the right to expect to profit? Sure. Do I believe that people don't have the right to expect anything for free? Sure. The difference between you and me is that we understand these things in different terms. For me, laws do not matter to me, ethics does. Even if the laws were repealed for murder, I would still believe that murders is wrong and that people should be punished for it.