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Just for your info, no better in MS-land, Microsoft broke most shortcuts between Office 2003 and Office 2007, a few got reverted with 2010. Still it's mind blow

by frik 9y ago

Just for your info, no better in MS-land, Microsoft broke most shortcuts between Office 2003 and Office 2007, a few got reverted with 2010. Still it's mind blowing how bad shortcuts are nowadays. Instead of Ctrl+<char> one has to type Alt+<char>+<char> and other nonsense for many shortcuts. (Sure system wide shortcuts and a few ones like Ctrl+C still work) But try to paste a text as plain unformatted text, good luck with that.

EvanAnderson 9y ago
Interesting observation. I've had the opposite experience. Perhaps it is sbecause I'm not using "shortcuts" but rather am operating the pull-down menus with accelerator keys via muscle-memory. Inserting columns, rows, formatting cells, and many other functions continued to work with the various ALT-x-x combinations that I was used to. I never used any of the CTRL-x variants, except for cut/copy/paste.
- frik 9y ago
  The position of CTRL on the keyboard is ideal for shortcuts. CTRL+x is short and can be used with one hand. I guess you started with 2007 or 2010. For me the ribbon related shortcuts are inefficient.
  - EvanAnderson 9y ago
    I started w/ Office 95 (well, standalone Excel 4.0, actually). To insert cells I'd type "ALT-E-I". To delete cells "ALT-E-D". Aside from cut/copy/paste and simple text formatting (bold, underline, italic) I've never used the CTRL-x shortcuts. I've always just operated the pull-down menus with their accelerator keys very quickly. Edit: Ahh-- I re-read your comment. I'm not using the ribbon ALT-x shortcuts. I'm using the accelerator keys from the old pull-down menus. No-- those ribbon "shortcuts" are frustrating to me.
edoloughlin 9y ago
try to paste a text as plain unformatted text, good luck with that. CTRL-V, release. Press & release the CTRL key, then press T
- poizan42 9y ago
  Or just ctrl+shift+v. Works in most applications but few people are aware of it.
  - edoloughlin 9y ago
    Hmm, doesn't work for me in Office 2016.
ratherbefuddled 9y ago
It was when they brought that idiotic ribbon in and it was apparently more important to meet the engineering need for implementation elegance (consistent shortcut keys across all the office suite that matched the ribbon click path) than to let users continue to work efficiently. Insert row went from alt->I->R to something I can't even remember now. I hope someone in product management got flogged for that.

by frik 9y ago

EvanAnderson 9y ago

Interesting observation. I've had the opposite experience. Perhaps it is sbecause I'm not using "shortcuts" but rather am operating the pull-down menus with accelerator keys via muscle-memory. Inserting columns, rows, formatting cells, and many other functions continued to work with the various ALT-x-x combinations that I was used to. I never used any of the CTRL-x variants, except for cut/copy/paste.

frik 9y ago
The position of CTRL on the keyboard is ideal for shortcuts. CTRL+x is short and can be used with one hand. I guess you started with 2007 or 2010. For me the ribbon related shortcuts are inefficient.
- EvanAnderson 9y ago
  I started w/ Office 95 (well, standalone Excel 4.0, actually). To insert cells I'd type "ALT-E-I". To delete cells "ALT-E-D". Aside from cut/copy/paste and simple text formatting (bold, underline, italic) I've never used the CTRL-x shortcuts. I've always just operated the pull-down menus with their accelerator keys very quickly. Edit: Ahh-- I re-read your comment. I'm not using the ribbon ALT-x shortcuts. I'm using the accelerator keys from the old pull-down menus. No-- those ribbon "shortcuts" are frustrating to me.

edoloughlin 9y ago

try to paste a text as plain unformatted text, good luck with that. CTRL-V, release. Press & release the CTRL key, then press T

poizan42 9y ago
Or just ctrl+shift+v. Works in most applications but few people are aware of it.
- edoloughlin 9y ago
  Hmm, doesn't work for me in Office 2016.

ratherbefuddled 9y ago

It was when they brought that idiotic ribbon in and it was apparently more important to meet the engineering need for implementation elegance (consistent shortcut keys across all the office suite that matched the ribbon click path) than to let users continue to work efficiently. Insert row went from alt->I->R to something I can't even remember now. I hope someone in product management got flogged for that.