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I always feel living in even normal appartments is a bit like living in cages (which of course I did a lot). When travelling a lot, they are great because you d

by geff82 9y ago

I always feel living in even normal appartments is a bit like living in cages (which of course I did a lot). When travelling a lot, they are great because you don't have to care about much. But an acre of land or so could always provide at least for some food in a crisis, while an apartment leaves you unprotected in the masses. Maybe it's some kind of libertarian logic that occupies my mind.

lmm 9y ago
That... yeah, that seems pretty crazy. Do you even know how to produce food on your land? (it's not easy in most inhabited lattitudes). What about all the other things you'd need - water, medical care, cloth and minerals? What kind of crisis do you even imagine is that likely yet that survivable? It's worth being prepared for a short-term crisis, but that would be over one way or another well before your first harvest. Put some MREs and a 10-gallon water jug in your broom closet and you're not appreciably worse off in an apartment.
- greendestiny_re 9y ago
  >Do you even know how to produce food on your land? This isn't as hard as it sounds. The nature is overflowing with edibles of all sorts and we simply have to cultivate it for a little bit. Two years ago, my father planted two chokeberry (Aronia prunifolia) shrubs in our backyard. Now those tiny shrubs have grown to 20 times their original size and yielded about 10 pounds of berries. Two years before that, we planted 8 tiny grapevines and tied them with pieces of string to a nearby metal scaffolding. Today, those vines have wrapped themselves around the front part of the house and provide us with more grapes than the entire family can eat. Both aronia shrubs and grapevines grow unstoppably, without any human intervention. Now, having them fit for commercial consumption is another thing entirely, and we'd probably have to invest much more money in ensuring larger yields and so on. Right now, I only spray grapes with some copper sulphate though I see it's been infected with grape phylloxera, for which there is no control or cure.
  - lmm 9y ago
    Small amounts of food are easy, sure. I assumed they were talking about growing enough food to live on exclusively, which is a quite different proposition.

by geff82 9y ago

lmm 9y ago

That... yeah, that seems pretty crazy. Do you even know how to produce food on your land? (it's not easy in most inhabited lattitudes). What about all the other things you'd need - water, medical care, cloth and minerals? What kind of crisis do you even imagine is that likely yet that survivable? It's worth being prepared for a short-term crisis, but that would be over one way or another well before your first harvest. Put some MREs and a 10-gallon water jug in your broom closet and you're not appreciably worse off in an apartment.

greendestiny_re 9y ago
>Do you even know how to produce food on your land? This isn't as hard as it sounds. The nature is overflowing with edibles of all sorts and we simply have to cultivate it for a little bit. Two years ago, my father planted two chokeberry (Aronia prunifolia) shrubs in our backyard. Now those tiny shrubs have grown to 20 times their original size and yielded about 10 pounds of berries. Two years before that, we planted 8 tiny grapevines and tied them with pieces of string to a nearby metal scaffolding. Today, those vines have wrapped themselves around the front part of the house and provide us with more grapes than the entire family can eat. Both aronia shrubs and grapevines grow unstoppably, without any human intervention. Now, having them fit for commercial consumption is another thing entirely, and we'd probably have to invest much more money in ensuring larger yields and so on. Right now, I only spray grapes with some copper sulphate though I see it's been infected with grape phylloxera, for which there is no control or cure.
- lmm 9y ago
  Small amounts of food are easy, sure. I assumed they were talking about growing enough food to live on exclusively, which is a quite different proposition.