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Potboilers aren't anything new, my friend. "so artists will be forced to abandon their works to continue living." Exactly how is this bad? What do music arti

by iamdave 16y ago

Potboilers aren't anything new, my friend. "so artists will be forced to abandon their works to continue living." Exactly how is this bad? What do music artists contribute other than catchy tunes to the grand sphere of what our nation defines? And for that matter, have you seen the statistics of professional athletes who fall face first into the realm of poverty once they retire from their respective sports? It is shocking and frankly, a bit depressing. It's one of those things that invariably happens during the course of man that the lifestyles some of these people live are not going to last forever, and if they build their entire means of existence around "royalties" thinking they'll become the next Mick Jagger or Axl Rose floating comfortably on the sales of platinum albums decades after their last chart topping hit... well...I don't even need to say it.

sliverstorm 16y ago
> Exactly how is this bad? What do music artists contribute other than catchy tunes to the grand sphere of what our nation defines? I'm not an arts person, so I will not present an argument about how art is good or bad for humanity. My point is: 1: I want music artists to stay about, because I like their catchy tunes. 2: Presumably, people who download their music do too, or they wouldn't care about it enough to want to listen in the first place. Ok, so being a pro athlete is not a good long-term plan, but how about if they didn't make a dime when they were still playing? Can you see professional football continuing to exist if the only livable model was for players to work graveyards to support their addiction to oblong leather balls? Kids would still play, high schoolers would still play, but we would have no NFL. P.S. You don't think music plays a role in defining a nation? Then why is it the 2 biggest cues a movie uses to clue you in on setting is dress and music?
- kiba 16y ago
  Ok, so being a pro athlete is not a good long-term plan Being a pro athlete per se isn't a necessary dumb idea. It's just that athletes don't have any financial skills because they rather devote their whole energy to sport. Frankly, it's simply the matter of earning several million bucks and then living off the interest rates. It turns out surprisingly hard as you have to dodge snake oil salemen and the urge to spend all your money on lavish vacations and other money drainers.
- gwern 16y ago
  > 1: I want music artists to stay about, because I like their catchy tunes. Do you dislike the hundreds of thousands of existing tunes? Is it somehow not enough for you? Not even combined with the music people would produce even in the absence of IP?
loewenskind 16y ago
What a disgusting response. I suppose what you contribute is so much more "worthy" of success? Personally I find life a lot less stressful when I don't get worked up about if people are getting "what they deserve" or not (especially since I don't have any right to decide what they deserve).
- wake_up_sticky 16y ago
  So you don't worry about people who download copyrighted music?
  - loewenskind 16y ago
    After the fact? Not too much, no. Personally I prefer prevention to punishment after the fact. If I'm murdered what good does it do me if you bring my murderer to justice? I'd rather not be killed.

by iamdave 16y ago

sliverstorm 16y ago

> Exactly how is this bad? What do music artists contribute other than catchy tunes to the grand sphere of what our nation defines? I'm not an arts person, so I will not present an argument about how art is good or bad for humanity. My point is: 1: I want music artists to stay about, because I like their catchy tunes. 2: Presumably, people who download their music do too, or they wouldn't care about it enough to want to listen in the first place. Ok, so being a pro athlete is not a good long-term plan, but how about if they didn't make a dime when they were still playing? Can you see professional football continuing to exist if the only livable model was for players to work graveyards to support their addiction to oblong leather balls? Kids would still play, high schoolers would still play, but we would have no NFL. P.S. You don't think music plays a role in defining a nation? Then why is it the 2 biggest cues a movie uses to clue you in on setting is dress and music?

kiba 16y ago
Ok, so being a pro athlete is not a good long-term plan Being a pro athlete per se isn't a necessary dumb idea. It's just that athletes don't have any financial skills because they rather devote their whole energy to sport. Frankly, it's simply the matter of earning several million bucks and then living off the interest rates. It turns out surprisingly hard as you have to dodge snake oil salemen and the urge to spend all your money on lavish vacations and other money drainers.
gwern 16y ago
> 1: I want music artists to stay about, because I like their catchy tunes. Do you dislike the hundreds of thousands of existing tunes? Is it somehow not enough for you? Not even combined with the music people would produce even in the absence of IP?

loewenskind 16y ago

What a disgusting response. I suppose what you contribute is so much more "worthy" of success? Personally I find life a lot less stressful when I don't get worked up about if people are getting "what they deserve" or not (especially since I don't have any right to decide what they deserve).

wake_up_sticky 16y ago
So you don't worry about people who download copyrighted music?
- loewenskind 16y ago
  After the fact? Not too much, no. Personally I prefer prevention to punishment after the fact. If I'm murdered what good does it do me if you bring my murderer to justice? I'd rather not be killed.