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"Rather than join the chorus of anti-German propaganda, he preferred, doggedly, to inspire his little class with the beauty of the language, and of its literatu

by pampa 9y ago

"Rather than join the chorus of anti-German propaganda, he preferred, doggedly, to inspire his little class with the beauty of the language, and of its literature and culture." That was in 1940. In 2017 those languages would be farsi, russian and chinese i guess?

microcolonel 9y ago
I haven't seen any contemporary anti-Iran/Afghanistan, anti-Russian, or anti-Chinese propaganda use the language or culture against them... except perhaps the mass-media "comedy" industry making offensive Russian accents while insinuating things. I doubt most people could identify Farsi readily enough to understand the propaganda. I don't think all that many people could tell you if they're looking at Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text; Two of these languages' countries are basically universally beloved in the U.S, so it'd be hard to make visual (or even audible) propaganda out of it. I guess Russian might be the easiest of the three to use in propaganda. :- P
- awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
  > except perhaps the mass-media "comedy" industry making offensive Russian accents while insinuating things. Really? You haven't seen any offensive chinese/asian "accents"? > I doubt most people could identify Farsi readily enough to understand the propaganda We generally mock them as sounding arabic with harsh guttural sounds. The exaggerated "phlegm" in the throat sounds. > I don't think all that many people could tell you if they're looking at Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text; Does it matter? > Two of these languages' countries are basically universally beloved in the U.S Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea... > so it'd be hard to make visual (or even audible) propaganda out of it. You can... But we just assign the propaganda towards "north korea" because we want to sell movies in china/japan/korea. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-... There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. Just because you know a few cosplay fanatics doesn't mean the US "loves" these asian countries. The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst.
  - Sommersonn 9y ago
    > There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. Can you provide some examples? Especially for anti-China/Asia sentiments.
    - awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
      I thought I did. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-... Or you could check the daily south china sea propaganda. The mass propaganda concerning Liu Xiaobo's death. The anti-chinese pro-tibet propaganda. "China's Threat to the U.S. - The Atlantic" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-great-leap-backward/505817/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-... "China next US threat? Beijing beefs up military to protect trade" http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/15/china-next-us-threat-beijing-beefs-up-military-to-protect-trade.html http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/15/china-next-us-threat... Our anti-chinese pivot to asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_t... And of course there is a negative anti-chinese/chinese american stereotypes/racism/cultural dislike/etc in the US. China has consistently been viewed as one of our greatest enemy. http://www.gallup.com/poll/189503/four-nations-top-greatest-enemy-list.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/189503/four-nations-top-greatest-... Mind you, this poll is only about who are TOP enemy is. If we did a poll on whether we viewed china as an enemy, a significant majority would list china as an enemy.
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    > The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst. What's wrong with being competitors? Japan gained the most public respect in the U.S. when it looked like they were kicking America's ass in manufacturing and high technology. > There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. I was mainly saying that you don't tend to see the language used as a tool for propaganda. I'm not saying that some people don't feel animosity toward china, north Korea, Iran (I actually don't see anyone complaining about Afghanistan these days), and Russia; I'm just saying that their languages aren't being used in propaganda like German was used in anti-Nazi propaganda. > Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea... The only people I hear complain about (South) Korea are Japanese people, and the only people I hear complain about the Japanese are Chinese and Korean people. Maybe I live in a bubble, but I would think I'd run into somebody with one of these prejudices over the years, if it were a big thing.

by pampa 9y ago

microcolonel 9y ago

I haven't seen any contemporary anti-Iran/Afghanistan, anti-Russian, or anti-Chinese propaganda use the language or culture against them... except perhaps the mass-media "comedy" industry making offensive Russian accents while insinuating things. I doubt most people could identify Farsi readily enough to understand the propaganda. I don't think all that many people could tell you if they're looking at Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text; Two of these languages' countries are basically universally beloved in the U.S, so it'd be hard to make visual (or even audible) propaganda out of it. I guess Russian might be the easiest of the three to use in propaganda. :- P

awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
> except perhaps the mass-media "comedy" industry making offensive Russian accents while insinuating things. Really? You haven't seen any offensive chinese/asian "accents"? > I doubt most people could identify Farsi readily enough to understand the propaganda We generally mock them as sounding arabic with harsh guttural sounds. The exaggerated "phlegm" in the throat sounds. > I don't think all that many people could tell you if they're looking at Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text; Does it matter? > Two of these languages' countries are basically universally beloved in the U.S Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea... > so it'd be hard to make visual (or even audible) propaganda out of it. You can... But we just assign the propaganda towards "north korea" because we want to sell movies in china/japan/korea. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-... There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. Just because you know a few cosplay fanatics doesn't mean the US "loves" these asian countries. The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst.
- Sommersonn 9y ago
  > There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. Can you provide some examples? Especially for anti-China/Asia sentiments.
  - awkwarddaturtle 9y ago
    I thought I did. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-... Or you could check the daily south china sea propaganda. The mass propaganda concerning Liu Xiaobo's death. The anti-chinese pro-tibet propaganda. "China's Threat to the U.S. - The Atlantic" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-great-leap-backward/505817/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-... "China next US threat? Beijing beefs up military to protect trade" http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/15/china-next-us-threat-beijing-beefs-up-military-to-protect-trade.html http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/15/china-next-us-threat... Our anti-chinese pivot to asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_t... And of course there is a negative anti-chinese/chinese american stereotypes/racism/cultural dislike/etc in the US. China has consistently been viewed as one of our greatest enemy. http://www.gallup.com/poll/189503/four-nations-top-greatest-enemy-list.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/189503/four-nations-top-greatest-... Mind you, this poll is only about who are TOP enemy is. If we did a poll on whether we viewed china as an enemy, a significant majority would list china as an enemy.
- microcolonel 9y ago
  > The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst. What's wrong with being competitors? Japan gained the most public respect in the U.S. when it looked like they were kicking America's ass in manufacturing and high technology. > There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. I was mainly saying that you don't tend to see the language used as a tool for propaganda. I'm not saying that some people don't feel animosity toward china, north Korea, Iran (I actually don't see anyone complaining about Afghanistan these days), and Russia; I'm just saying that their languages aren't being used in propaganda like German was used in anti-Nazi propaganda. > Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea... The only people I hear complain about (South) Korea are Japanese people, and the only people I hear complain about the Japanese are Chinese and Korean people. Maybe I live in a bubble, but I would think I'd run into somebody with one of these prejudices over the years, if it were a big thing.