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Adventures in Outsourcing: Cooking with TaskRabbit
- xupybd 9y agoWow, I just couldn't imagine spending that sort of money. But if you can afford it and it makes you happy, awesome.
- mtlynch 9y agoThanks for reading! For Manhattan, these prices aren't that crazy. It's certainly much more than groceries, but about on par with restaurant delivery.
- blackguardx 9y agoI used to live in Manhattan and found restaurants to be pretty cheap depending on ones tastes. I never really got food delivered because everything I wanted was within a block or two.
- jmilloy 9y agoI feel like you are missing the fact that it is ~$100 for 4 meals, not one meal.
- nxc18 9y agoI spend $6 per meal if I really go all out with meat and semi premium ingredients. I would have to make a lot of money to justify $25 per meal on a regular basis. On an irregular basis, I'll just go to a restaurant. I do somewhat enjoy cooking though so that may be the big difference. I also am trying to live a more balanced life after 4 years of college all nighters.
- dalore 9y agoBut also look at this way, if his hourly rate is $100 an hour, he just earned $200/hour. His 4 meals cost him $100 so he is $100 up. If he made the meals himself, he might have taken longer to make, for a product that wasn't as good and with a lost opportunity cost. Also he couldn't really make the keto dishes himself.
- C4stor 9y agoThat's a good point, but I'm a bit more contrasted about hourly rates. It's typically (at least for me and what I observe) increasingly hard to maintain a high hourly rate while making more hours, since it implies getting less and less selective with available paying tasks (or having an overwhelming demand, but in which case, one should increase her hourly rate anyway). In my case, it'd be borderline impossible to transform to just transform 2 hours of leisure/free time into paid work at my standard hourly rate ! (but of course, my life isn't organized for this to begin with).
- dalore 9y agoWell hourly rate is one example. The other is lost opportunity cost. If he was working on his own thing, even though he isn't getting paid for it, it might be the ticket that get's his startup off the ground into a better life.
- slothtrop 9y agoYou're conflating hours actually worked with bankable hours per day, typically 8. If he gets paid for the finished product rather than his time at a desk, then and only then does it make sense.
- dalore 9y agoSeeing as he is running his own projects, I would say he isn't limited to 8 bankable hours a day.
- xupybd 9y agoI totally was, thanks for clearing that up. $25 a meal is a special occasion for me. That said this does seem pretty boss, having your own chef.
- seanwilson 9y agoInteresting writeup! Can you cook? How much time did you you spend arranging a cook and preparing for their arrival? I would have thought cooking in bulk with simpler recipes would save more time overall than arranging someone to turn up to cook for you unless it was a regular thing or simpler recipes aren't good enough.
- mtlynch 9y agoThanks for reading! >Can you cook? I can cook basic meals, and I still do for a few meals per week. Things like scrambled eggs, steak, burgers, and chicken. >How much time did you you spend arranging a cook and preparing for their arrival? I think that's one of the main weaknesses because I'm still spending about one hour per visit searching recipes, checking which ingredients I have available, ordering new ingredients from FreshDirect, and making sure the kitchen is ready. >I would have thought cooking in bulk with simpler recipes would save more time overall than arranging someone to turn up to cook for you unless it was a regular thing or simpler recipes aren't good enough. A big motivating factor is desserts/snacks. If I wasn't outsourcing it, I wouldn't have the motivation to cook myself desserts. So I'd just end up eating less healthy snacks and not being able to keep up the diet.
- seanwilson 9y ago> I can cook basic meals, and I still do for a few meals per week. Things like scrambled eggs, steak, burgers, and chicken. So things like chilli, roasts, lasagne and burritos are classics for bulk cooking and aren't that difficult. > A big motivating factor is desserts/snacks. If I wasn't outsourcing it, I wouldn't have the motivation to cook myself desserts. So I'd just end up eating less healthy snacks and not being able to keep up the diet. Haha, surely you should be avoiding dessert completely if you want to be healthy? What's wrong with store bought desserts? Not knocking whatever your preferences are by the way, I'm just genuinely curious about business models such as this and things like Blue Apron. Spending money to free up time for what you want to do makes complete sense to me.
- mtlynch 9y ago
- andrewfromx 9y ago"Each TaskRabbit worker chooses their own rate for the services they offer, so it doesn’t make sense to add a tip on top of that." yeah I'm sure they love not getting tips.
- Mtinie 9y agoDo you receive tips for the work you voluntarily do on a daily basis?
- treehau5 9y agoDo you not like receiving extra appreciation in the form of compensation when doing an exceptional job at your work?
- Swizec 9y agoI'd feel weird if my boss or my consulting clients tipped me.
- thanatropism 9y agoMany organizations have variable, basically unpredictable, often big year-end bonuses tied to your whole team's $$ performance.
- zaroth 9y agoThe general rule which I've heard is you "don't tip the owner." If you are setting your own rates, it fits the same pattern. Not tipping is appropriate in this case, unless you feel like the rate was significantly under-priced for the quality of work performed. In cases like that, I've actually told someone, "for the work you're doing I'm paying you $50 not $35 per hour -- keep it up!" In other words, give them a raise, not a tip.
- davidjnelson 9y agoCool post. What about finding someone on craigslist instead? Would that save money?
- mtlynch 9y agoI am experimenting with that now. I hired someone for $175 per delivery of an entree, side, and snack similar in portion to what I described in the article. The fee covers the cost of ingredients, cooking, and delivery. It's more expensive, but it saves me more time.
- wyc 9y agoI don't think I'd outsource my cooking because I enjoy it. However, I think it makes perfect sense for someone who doesn't like cooking to do so, such as the author. It was certainly an interesting read. It took me a while to realize that there are things that could be done more cheaply by someone or something else, but add real value to my life in ways other than monetary.
- Swizec 9y agoThis is amazing! Solves exactly the problem I have with eating out or ordering regularly: Can't track what you're eating. This could be great for making my weekly mealprep. One less weekends chore. I love cooking, but it's really not fun when you're pressed for time.
- mtlynch 9y agoThanks for reading! Yeah, I've appreciated that it gives me more control over what I'm eating without imposing the time commitment that kind of control would usually require.
- jtmarmon 9y agoI've been on keto for a long time. I've always been pressed for time myself and resorted to very expensive food delivery as an alternative (on keto, food delivery - especially in queens - means ordering sub par food in too small portions because the portions include rice or other carbs as filler. then you end up doubling your portion, adding delivery tip...could be a $30 shitty dinner) I've thought about the home cook route but all the professional ones are absurdly expensive. This is a nice way to do it. However I recently got a sous vide machine which seems like the answer to my problems. It's extremely hard to screw something up when it's cooked sous vide and it's almost always delicious. It's a worthwhile investment
- mtlynch 9y agoYeah, I have a sous vide as well and completely agree. I like it for cooking things like steak and chicken, but it doesn't really help me much with side dishes or desserts.
- illumin8 9y agoSides can be extremely easy to cook though. Broccoli only needs to be steamed for a few minutes. I know the post of the original article is on keto, but rice can be thrown in a rice cooker and is ready automatically ~20 minutes later. Sweet potatoes can be thrown in an oven for 30 minutes. Sides should be very simple and fast to create.
- TAForObvReasons 9y agosous vide cheesecake is a great start if you are interested in desserts
- Jefro118 9y agoShameless plug - keto meal kit delivery service: https://ketocargo.com https://ketocargo.com A bit cheaper and more pragmatic than most delivery services, specifically for keto.
- mtlynch 9y ago
- j88439h84 9y ago> When I order food from a restaurant, it arrives anywhere from 20 to 90 minutes later. It’s difficult for me to be productive in the meantime because I can’t fully focus when I know an interruption is coming. > With a TaskRabbit chef, I get several meals that I can freeze for the week. When I want these meals later, I can just eat them as soon as I’m hungry. This eliminates unpredictable interruptions and gives me much better control of my time. Why can't you freeze meals from restaurants just like TaskRabbit meals? Also, you can schedule meals in advance with GrubHub, etc.
- mtlynch 9y agoThat's true. The high order bit here is really the keto diet. There aren't many restaurant options that are compatible with keto, especially desserts. The time savings is a nice side-benefit, but isn't the main driver of the decision.
- dzhiurgis 9y agoHow does any dessert is compatible with keto?
- mtlynch 9y agoKeto is basically just low carbs, low sugar. You can make a lot of good desserts within that limitation. Dark chocolate is pretty low carb, as is cheesecake. Recipe sites come up with some good stuff: https://www.ruled.me/keto-recipes/dessert/ https://www.ruled.me/keto-recipes/dessert/
- dzhiurgis 9y agoMilk is practically all sugar. Doubt anything with sugar can be remotely considered keto.
- grogenaut 9y agoWhy not just cook? When you get good at it it doesn't take very long and you said you're not doing anything anyway
- burntrelish1273 9y agoJust hire a part-time personal cook/housekeeper. They're often willing to do more and don't charge an arm and both legs. TaskRabbit seem like no rapport, no stability, disposable relationships. Find someone good and stick with them.
- exolymph 9y agoIf you read the post, he's been consistently using the same TaskRabbit and has developed a rapport with her.
- dalore 9y agoThat's what Task Rabbit aim to do, try and setup a long term relationship between the two. But then take their cut. Most task rabbits and clients once they find each other and are happy and want it regularly, discuss with the TaskRabbit person and go direct with them.
- grogenaut 9y agoSo why not have the task rabbit teach you to cook?
- trumpownsyou420 9y agocooking is fun and kind of like programming. stop being a fucking nerd and pick up the knife. so cuck.
- randycupertino 9y agoWhy not just do a healthy meal delivery service? Zone Diets or Munchery will deliver something already cooked and within nutritional parameters for far less than your daily budget.
- gregjw 9y agoIt costs $100 to order delivery?!
- wingerlang 9y ago4 times. Since the cooking is 4 servings.
- shalmanese 9y agoBut if he's eating reheated food, he could just order 4 servings worth at once. Also, if he's ordering in bulk, a lot of restaurants also have catering arms where you can order food by the tray for much cheaper. Catering orders are also much more keto friendly as they generally decouple the starch from the mains and you can just order meat/veggies. For $100, you can get a lot of catering food.
- dalore 9y agoThis article is quite close to home. I have been doing keto for 10 years and my partner does jobs on task rabbit with quite a few cooking jobs. We've been discussing creating her own service where she goes out and cooks keto for people exactly like this guy (or any other food, but focus on ket). She is an amazing cook. First thing she said about the pics is that the pork could use some sauce. A nice creamy sauce would go well with it.
- nsb1 9y agoI totally understand that feeling of not having enough time, but have you considered the side benefits of cooking your own meals? I've fallen into the 'distill every second into code' trap myself, and that way lies burnout. Take a break for a couple of hours and cook yourself a nice dinner. Even cleaning up after, while not 'fun' per se, is still downtime from work. Afterwards, if you really must get more work done, then do so, and you'll do it with a clearer mind, having had a chance to unwind. Time and time again, life has showed me that stepping back for awhile from the task at hand ultimately results in a faster solution to a problem than banging my head against it for an extra hour ( or three ).
- mtlynch 9y agoThat's fair. I think it depends on the person. I don't want to squeeze work out of every last second, but I'd rather do something I enjoy when I'm not working, like reading or emailing friends. I still cook a few times per week, but I don't feel like I get a lot out of it, so I'd rather do leisure activities that I enjoy.
- slothtrop 9y agoI completely agree. Cooking is therapeutic and really ought not take very long once you know what you're doing. Not every tiny laborious task needs to be automated-away or outsourced. 5-10 minutes of prep is all it takes.
- jlebrech 9y agosurely there are services where you can order multi meal prep boxes for the week?
- tzakrajs 9y agoThis is so cringe, the notion they are pursuing keto with so much animal products is just gross. They probably think they've found their body's best way to diet. Ugh.
- CupOfJava 9y agoIt was only mentioned twice, and in two paragraphs in the whole article. It established the motivation for his experiment. You might draw from different motivations for trying TaskRabbit.
- slothtrop 9y agoWhere do you get "so much" from? The portion on the sample plate shown isn't that sizeable.
- d0lph 9y ago> the notion they are pursuing keto with so much animal products is just gross Why? It is my understanding that the keto community, at least on reddit, is not vegan.
- krmmalik 9y agoI did something very very similar to this two years ago. I was put on a particular diet by my nutritionist and so had the same pains as this man and went through a very similar process. Had to do the shopping myself but made it clear in the task that i wanted the tasker to give me the shopping list of what i need. It all went really well. She made me great tasting food that lasted me a whole week, cleaned up the kitchen after she was done and made sure the food was as per my dietary requirements. I was really happy. It cost me £65 for the whole thing. Unfortunately, I can't afford to spend that kind of money every week at the moment, otherwise I would because i really hate cooking. But this post has re-ignited the idea at least