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There's already plenty of red state soccer moms that refuse to let their kids play football.

by learc83 9y ago

dexterdog 9y ago
Which has worse concussion problems.
- fullshark 9y ago
  Soccer has worse concussion problems? I've not heard that. What's the source?
  - mgkimsal 9y ago
    using your head to hit the ball, and/or getting kicked in the head. ;) FWIW, though, I've not heard that point either.
    - heygrady 9y ago
      The possibility of concussions is present in [nearly?] every sport. Typically, head injuries are not a core part of gameplay. In the case of soccer, there have been concerted efforts to remove "heading" from practice and from games. Football is being targeted because minor/severe concussions are commonplace and result from a core aspect of the game.
      - mgkimsal 9y ago
        > The possibility of concussions is present in [nearly?] every sport Tennis, golf, swimming, weightlifting, etc - probably have a pretty low incidence of concussion. Stuff with teams and fast movement are probably most suspect; hockey and football would intuitively seem like the worst offenders.
  - trowawee 9y ago
    It's not true. They're both bad, but football has higher rates of concussion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/
    - heyheyhey 9y ago
      It's a start but USSoccer limits heading up to age 13:http://www.ussoccer.com/about/recognize-to-recover/concussion-guidelines http://www.ussoccer.com/about/recognize-to-recover/concussio... "Eliminating heading for children 10 and under Limiting the amount of heading in practice for children between the ages of 11 and 13"
      - heygrady 9y ago
        This is an easy step that soccer has taken to reduce the occurrences of brain injuries. Anyone who is confused on this issue should note that any jostling of the brain can cause minor, short-term brain damage. It's bad enough to bounce a relatively soft soccer ball off your head to warrant removing the practice from the sport, especially for younger players. Other sports, like football, present a much harder challenge. Even if you remove direct head contact as a variable, most aspects of tackling can result in concussions. The reason football is uniquely controversial is that minor concussions are mostly inevitable and severe concussions are commonplace. By contrast, the most likely way to get a concussion in soccer is to head the ball, which isn't fundamental to gameplay. In any sport, you might run into another player at high speed but that's not typically a core part of the gameplay. Football is controversial because it's hard to fix.
    - learc83 9y ago
      In addition to concussions, football players are also believed to receive repeated microtrauma from running into each other repeatedly.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Love how some misinformed fact like that appears out of thin air, then becomes "truth"
  - camiller 9y ago
    Would you be ok with "nearly as bad" "Based on the national estimate, the majority of concussions resulted from participation in football (40.5%, n = 55 007), followed by girls' soccer (21.5%, n = 29 167), boys' soccer (15.4%, n = 20 929),..." So 40.5% of concussions in football and 36.9% in combined boys/girls soccer. source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/
    - learc83 9y ago
      Looks like there are about 3 times more kids playing soccer than tackle football. I'd say a 3x lower concision rate isn't close to "nearly as bad". In addition to concussions, football players are also believed to receive repeated microtrauma from running into each other repeatedly, which contributes to CTE. Football is a full contact sport. It is inherently more dangerous. Collisions in soccer happen accidentally. They happen intentionally in football. In addition there are new restrictions on heading the ball in soccer for younger kids, which will likely make the game a bit safer.
      - camiller 9y ago
        In 2016 (in the US) 1.08 million students participated in high school football while 821,851 participated in soccer. I don't have stats available for middle school, but earlier than that the players don't hit nearly as hard, as they have considerable lower mass and speed. Not sure where your 3x number comes from, but I don't think we need to include YMCA recreational league soccer any more than we need to include flag football.
        learc83 9y ago
        3x is the total number of youth participants in soccer vs total youth participants in tackle football. I didn't see that your study was high school and college only. It seems that girls suffer much higher rates of concussions in all sports likely do to less developed neck muscles according to this [1]. So you'd have to compare concussion rate in football vs boys soccer to get a real comparison. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/2017/03/27/girls-soccer-has-highest-concussion-rate-of-high-school-sports-study-finds/?utm_term=.91d80778cb4c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/20...

There's already plenty of red state soccer moms that refuse to let their kids play football.

dexterdog 9y ago

Which has worse concussion problems.

fullshark 9y ago
Soccer has worse concussion problems? I've not heard that. What's the source?
- mgkimsal 9y ago
  using your head to hit the ball, and/or getting kicked in the head. ;) FWIW, though, I've not heard that point either.
  - heygrady 9y ago
    The possibility of concussions is present in [nearly?] every sport. Typically, head injuries are not a core part of gameplay. In the case of soccer, there have been concerted efforts to remove "heading" from practice and from games. Football is being targeted because minor/severe concussions are commonplace and result from a core aspect of the game.
    - mgkimsal 9y ago
      > The possibility of concussions is present in [nearly?] every sport Tennis, golf, swimming, weightlifting, etc - probably have a pretty low incidence of concussion. Stuff with teams and fast movement are probably most suspect; hockey and football would intuitively seem like the worst offenders.
- trowawee 9y ago
  It's not true. They're both bad, but football has higher rates of concussion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/
  - heyheyhey 9y ago
    It's a start but USSoccer limits heading up to age 13:http://www.ussoccer.com/about/recognize-to-recover/concussion-guidelines http://www.ussoccer.com/about/recognize-to-recover/concussio... "Eliminating heading for children 10 and under Limiting the amount of heading in practice for children between the ages of 11 and 13"
    - heygrady 9y ago
      This is an easy step that soccer has taken to reduce the occurrences of brain injuries. Anyone who is confused on this issue should note that any jostling of the brain can cause minor, short-term brain damage. It's bad enough to bounce a relatively soft soccer ball off your head to warrant removing the practice from the sport, especially for younger players. Other sports, like football, present a much harder challenge. Even if you remove direct head contact as a variable, most aspects of tackling can result in concussions. The reason football is uniquely controversial is that minor concussions are mostly inevitable and severe concussions are commonplace. By contrast, the most likely way to get a concussion in soccer is to head the ball, which isn't fundamental to gameplay. In any sport, you might run into another player at high speed but that's not typically a core part of the gameplay. Football is controversial because it's hard to fix.
  - learc83 9y ago
    In addition to concussions, football players are also believed to receive repeated microtrauma from running into each other repeatedly.
raverbashing 9y ago
Love how some misinformed fact like that appears out of thin air, then becomes "truth"
- camiller 9y ago
  Would you be ok with "nearly as bad" "Based on the national estimate, the majority of concussions resulted from participation in football (40.5%, n = 55 007), followed by girls' soccer (21.5%, n = 29 167), boys' soccer (15.4%, n = 20 929),..." So 40.5% of concussions in football and 36.9% in combined boys/girls soccer. source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/
  - learc83 9y ago
    Looks like there are about 3 times more kids playing soccer than tackle football. I'd say a 3x lower concision rate isn't close to "nearly as bad". In addition to concussions, football players are also believed to receive repeated microtrauma from running into each other repeatedly, which contributes to CTE. Football is a full contact sport. It is inherently more dangerous. Collisions in soccer happen accidentally. They happen intentionally in football. In addition there are new restrictions on heading the ball in soccer for younger kids, which will likely make the game a bit safer.
    - camiller 9y ago
      In 2016 (in the US) 1.08 million students participated in high school football while 821,851 participated in soccer. I don't have stats available for middle school, but earlier than that the players don't hit nearly as hard, as they have considerable lower mass and speed. Not sure where your 3x number comes from, but I don't think we need to include YMCA recreational league soccer any more than we need to include flag football.
      - learc83 9y ago
        3x is the total number of youth participants in soccer vs total youth participants in tackle football. I didn't see that your study was high school and college only. It seems that girls suffer much higher rates of concussions in all sports likely do to less developed neck muscles according to this [1]. So you'd have to compare concussion rate in football vs boys soccer to get a real comparison. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/2017/03/27/girls-soccer-has-highest-concussion-rate-of-high-school-sports-study-finds/?utm_term=.91d80778cb4c https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/20...