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A basic primer is linked below for you. I'm sure you'll have wonderful, super duper insightful, and super smart commentary on it. Looking forward to it! http:/

by rfrank 9y ago

A basic primer is linked below for you. I'm sure you'll have wonderful, super duper insightful, and super smart commentary on it. Looking forward to it! http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/theory/marxism.html http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/theory/marxism.html

eropple 9y ago
Have you read that piece? Because I have read it before, and Domhoff writes with regards to Marxists rather than Marx. If you're going to slag Marx for what Leninists and their derivatives have decided to read into it--well, that's a pretty curious thing to do. Not uncommon, because frankly most people haven't actually read Marx and are unqualified to opine, but I know for a fact that Domhoff has, which makes this...well, like I said--curious. The one criticism of that article I do have as far as what people he perceives as "Marxists" think (and I'm not one, though I do think that the general shape of what Marx describes, as opposed to either Marx's end-state conclusions or Marxists-the-fear-object group might believe) is that social democracy, which I will helpfully point out is not "Marxism", has also fairly obviously demonstrated its bones over the last decade-plus, after the article's writing, as that late-capitalistic model has created additional, shitty stresses on populations. Free market uber alles has catastrophically failed in every nontrivial employment, and while heavily-planned or fully-planned economies have obvious problems, social democracies the world over have this tendency to mostly work. I won't call them a global maximum, because that's impossible, but they have a decent claim to a local one. Anyway, let's be real: this isn't a "basic primer" and it doesn't contain the argument you thought it did after you googled "Marxism critique". You don't have to like the way things are going, but if you're gonna pretend to an opinion, maybe give it an honest go before you offer it?
- rfrank 9y ago
  > Marxists rather than Marx While you may think it's worthwhile to compartmentalize an idea and it's followers actions and interpretations, not many people on either side of the aisle would agree with you. "Punch a Nazi". > Anyway, let's be real: this isn't a "basic primer" and it doesn't contain the argument you thought it did after you googled "Marxism critique". I've taken classes with the guy, but from comment one it's been obvious you're more interested in low level attempts at being a condescending prick than having a conversation. I didn't share my actual thoughts with you or this community because it's a waste of my time, I'll just end up talking to dumbfucks like you regardless. Enjoy being a Marxist in the most aggressively capitalist industry in the world.
  - eropple 9y ago
    You didn't say Marxists. You were speaking specifically about Marx and how nothing Marx says is worth taking seriously. Marx and Marxists are related but distinct things. So, one: lift with your knees, goalposts are heavy. Two: come correct if you try to play this game in the first place. I'm being a little condescending--and I stress, a little--because you are acting like someone against whom the best rhetorical tactic is condescension as you have been literally seething in every word even before I posted a single thing--best to toss off one-liners and irrelevant links so you can get that dopamine feels-good-man rush, right? Because that way you can tell yourself how you're triggering so many liberals. But for real, it's a waste of your precious, precious time to "share your actual thoughts". You should go back to being a Thundering Capitalist Captain Titan Man of Industry and never post here again, right? (And, spoilers: I'm neither a Marxist nor even really much of a social democrat. I just don't like half-assed trolling by people who act like they got too mad to stick around /r/badhistory.)
    - rfrank 9y ago
      lol, calling "late capitalism" and Marxism/Marxists not worth taking seriously = "literally seething." I'm literally shaking right now guy, you're literally right. I'm literally about to go read some Rand now, literally. Moron. Your career directly contradicts your political "ideals."
      - sctb 9y ago
        We've asked you many times not to post uncivilly like this, so we've banned the account. We're happy to unban accounts if you email us at hn@ycombinator.com and we believe you'll post within the guidelines in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        rfrank 9y ago
        kill yourself

by rfrank 9y ago

eropple 9y ago

Have you read that piece? Because I have read it before, and Domhoff writes with regards to Marxists rather than Marx. If you're going to slag Marx for what Leninists and their derivatives have decided to read into it--well, that's a pretty curious thing to do. Not uncommon, because frankly most people haven't actually read Marx and are unqualified to opine, but I know for a fact that Domhoff has, which makes this...well, like I said--curious. The one criticism of that article I do have as far as what people he perceives as "Marxists" think (and I'm not one, though I do think that the general shape of what Marx describes, as opposed to either Marx's end-state conclusions or Marxists-the-fear-object group might believe) is that social democracy, which I will helpfully point out is not "Marxism", has also fairly obviously demonstrated its bones over the last decade-plus, after the article's writing, as that late-capitalistic model has created additional, shitty stresses on populations. Free market uber alles has catastrophically failed in every nontrivial employment, and while heavily-planned or fully-planned economies have obvious problems, social democracies the world over have this tendency to mostly work. I won't call them a global maximum, because that's impossible, but they have a decent claim to a local one. Anyway, let's be real: this isn't a "basic primer" and it doesn't contain the argument you thought it did after you googled "Marxism critique". You don't have to like the way things are going, but if you're gonna pretend to an opinion, maybe give it an honest go before you offer it?

rfrank 9y ago
> Marxists rather than Marx While you may think it's worthwhile to compartmentalize an idea and it's followers actions and interpretations, not many people on either side of the aisle would agree with you. "Punch a Nazi". > Anyway, let's be real: this isn't a "basic primer" and it doesn't contain the argument you thought it did after you googled "Marxism critique". I've taken classes with the guy, but from comment one it's been obvious you're more interested in low level attempts at being a condescending prick than having a conversation. I didn't share my actual thoughts with you or this community because it's a waste of my time, I'll just end up talking to dumbfucks like you regardless. Enjoy being a Marxist in the most aggressively capitalist industry in the world.
- eropple 9y ago
  You didn't say Marxists. You were speaking specifically about Marx and how nothing Marx says is worth taking seriously. Marx and Marxists are related but distinct things. So, one: lift with your knees, goalposts are heavy. Two: come correct if you try to play this game in the first place. I'm being a little condescending--and I stress, a little--because you are acting like someone against whom the best rhetorical tactic is condescension as you have been literally seething in every word even before I posted a single thing--best to toss off one-liners and irrelevant links so you can get that dopamine feels-good-man rush, right? Because that way you can tell yourself how you're triggering so many liberals. But for real, it's a waste of your precious, precious time to "share your actual thoughts". You should go back to being a Thundering Capitalist Captain Titan Man of Industry and never post here again, right? (And, spoilers: I'm neither a Marxist nor even really much of a social democrat. I just don't like half-assed trolling by people who act like they got too mad to stick around /r/badhistory.)
  - rfrank 9y ago
    lol, calling "late capitalism" and Marxism/Marxists not worth taking seriously = "literally seething." I'm literally shaking right now guy, you're literally right. I'm literally about to go read some Rand now, literally. Moron. Your career directly contradicts your political "ideals."
    - sctb 9y ago
      We've asked you many times not to post uncivilly like this, so we've banned the account. We're happy to unban accounts if you email us at hn@ycombinator.com and we believe you'll post within the guidelines in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - rfrank 9y ago
        kill yourself