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I partially agree...but... I would say that Ruby/RoR usage is really regional and that is visible in the US,UK,Japan and bunch of other places. Remember that Ja

I partially agree...but... I would say that Ruby/RoR usage is really regional and that is visible in the US,UK,Japan and bunch of other places. Remember that Java/C# were really popular even before Android and mobile platforms. Java was the obvious choice in the Android era, C# slowly caught up with the Xamarin and new initiatives like .NET CORE and CoreRT. Javascript / NodeJS got really popular because of the low barrier and huge community and fast adoption rate by large corporations. Ruby(VM) is unfortunate for not attracting critical mass of users and capital. I mean cmon you can't really compare jvm.clr,v8 and ruby vm. It really is unfair. Ruby supports a lot of magic,different paradigm and the runtimes mentioned earlier received billions in funding over decades. Of course they are "fast". I mean you need really expensive ingredients to succeed in 21st century in tech. You can be fast and elegant (Crystal,Nim) but what does it matter if you are not mature enough (java,c#,js). Or you are mature enough (ruby and its ecosystem) but you are not fast enough and you did not try enough to cover other markets (adoption by big companies was fairly low, Rubymotion was a poorly executed project so no Android/iOS coverage because of the high costs and lack of interest from community)

pantulis 9y ago
Rails wasn't about Ruby, Rails was all about dev productivity, and Ruby happened to be the best language at the time. The thing is, as you point out, the world has moved in this decade and we have seen most of the Rails key points transposed to other tech stacks, old elephants learning new tricks --see Symfony in PHP, Spring in Java, etc... Add to that that Rails is mostly feature complete: it's the best tool for developing what DHH calls "elegant monolyths", and I feel the proposition remains true. But, as the rest of tech stacks has moved on, so has happened in the edge tech stacks, with things like microservices, concurrency, async frameworks, etc, i.e: Node -which seems to be waning due to JS fatigue, Elixir... Rails doesn't seem to be targeting those because Rails doesn't need them. This is kind of a sad reflection, but Rails is the best frameworks for building things that the industry needs less and less: it is neither "enterprise" in spirit, although it is in capability, and is neither the cool kid in the block. We will see less developer mindshare because "cool" devs will have moved to sexier things, and "enterprise" teams will go the way of the newer .NET and Java buzzwords.
- holydude 9y ago
  "..building things that the industry needs less and less.." What do you mean by that ? Or what does industry need ? Microservices are cool but a nightmare to manage,maintain and keep everyone in sync. It's a buzzword in my book but I believe only a handful companies can really benefit from them. Java/C# are strong in enterprise and while this community dismisses enterprise what I mean is that it is used everywhere and by everyone. You want to communicate to some obscure endpoint that manages this container ship ? SOAP api is there to serve you along with ready to use libs. Besides.. C#/Java You want to build desktop apps ? Check You want to build mobile apps ? Check You want to talk to hardware (printers,peripherals) ? Check You want to build APIs ? Check You want to build Games ? Check You want to build traditional web apps ? Check Thanks to Facebook and other companies this is also becoming more and more possible with Javascript as well. What can Ruby/Rails offer ? Not much.
relics443 9y ago
I'm not sure if I understand. Are you saying that Ruby is more mature than Java and C#?
- bshimmin 9y ago
  Well, Ruby and Java were both first released in 1995. C# is a bit newer, having been released in 2000. I'm not sure that's at all what he was saying, though.

pantulis 9y ago

Rails wasn't about Ruby, Rails was all about dev productivity, and Ruby happened to be the best language at the time. The thing is, as you point out, the world has moved in this decade and we have seen most of the Rails key points transposed to other tech stacks, old elephants learning new tricks --see Symfony in PHP, Spring in Java, etc... Add to that that Rails is mostly feature complete: it's the best tool for developing what DHH calls "elegant monolyths", and I feel the proposition remains true. But, as the rest of tech stacks has moved on, so has happened in the edge tech stacks, with things like microservices, concurrency, async frameworks, etc, i.e: Node -which seems to be waning due to JS fatigue, Elixir... Rails doesn't seem to be targeting those because Rails doesn't need them. This is kind of a sad reflection, but Rails is the best frameworks for building things that the industry needs less and less: it is neither "enterprise" in spirit, although it is in capability, and is neither the cool kid in the block. We will see less developer mindshare because "cool" devs will have moved to sexier things, and "enterprise" teams will go the way of the newer .NET and Java buzzwords.

holydude 9y ago
"..building things that the industry needs less and less.." What do you mean by that ? Or what does industry need ? Microservices are cool but a nightmare to manage,maintain and keep everyone in sync. It's a buzzword in my book but I believe only a handful companies can really benefit from them. Java/C# are strong in enterprise and while this community dismisses enterprise what I mean is that it is used everywhere and by everyone. You want to communicate to some obscure endpoint that manages this container ship ? SOAP api is there to serve you along with ready to use libs. Besides.. C#/Java You want to build desktop apps ? Check You want to build mobile apps ? Check You want to talk to hardware (printers,peripherals) ? Check You want to build APIs ? Check You want to build Games ? Check You want to build traditional web apps ? Check Thanks to Facebook and other companies this is also becoming more and more possible with Javascript as well. What can Ruby/Rails offer ? Not much.

relics443 9y ago

I'm not sure if I understand. Are you saying that Ruby is more mature than Java and C#?

bshimmin 9y ago
Well, Ruby and Java were both first released in 1995. C# is a bit newer, having been released in 2000. I'm not sure that's at all what he was saying, though.