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Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which ar

Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are. I quote from [0] which links to primary sources, including the swedish immigration authorities (which I cannot confirm because I can't read swedish): """ According to Swedish government statistics, as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male. More than 21 percent of all migrants to Sweden were classified as unaccompanied minors, representing more than half of all minor migrants to the country. For accompanied minors, the sex ratio was about 1.16 boys for every one girl. But for unaccompanied minors, the ratio was 11.3 boys for every one girl. In other words, the Swedish case confirms IOM’s statistic that more than 90 percent of unaccompanied minors are male. Indeed, on average, approximately 90 unaccompanied boys entered Sweden every single day in 2015, compared with eight unaccompanied girls. """ [0] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refugees-migrant-crisis-men-213500 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refuge...

Hasknewbie 9y ago
>> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regarding your source: Specifically regarding Sweden, this does not really counter what I said. Your source notes that the demographic that leans (very) heavily male is unaccompanied minors (in fact it seems they account for almost all of the male imbalance in Sweden?). These are not single adult males (I used that term because the linked blog heavily relies on the "dangerous young adult" trope mentioned by Snopes -- by 'single' I mean 'not married'). Your source however does show that there are more adult males registered in Greece and Italy. Quick aside: registered refugees do not get to choose their assigned countries of residence if/when their status as refugee is recognized. I'd say there is quite a world of difference between groups of "young adult males" and unaccompanied minors (who are in that situation presumably because they have lost their families). >> and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are But do you have better sources than this one which says these are boys, not men? The point of my post was that the linked blog made loaded claims without substantiating them, so I only went as far a providing a counter-point. Maybe the current Swedish government does in fact have a policy locally favoring male refugees directly or indirectly (which in absolute is possible since, as noted above, refugees don't get to choose where they end up), but he provided no evidence.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  "unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?
  - Hasknewbie 9y ago
    I'm sure an overwhelming number of unaccompanied minor refugees are in fact adults claiming to be 17. /s
    - beagle3 9y ago
      Don't be so sure they aren't. They have every incentive in the world to lie. They already violated international law once by seeking refugee status in Sweden instead of first peaceful port. Either way, even if they are just 16, it does not change the fact that two years later, the vast majority of adult refugees are male.
    - raverbashing 9y ago
      "but a study using dental tests in Norway revealed that 9 out of 10 underage refugee children were actually older than 18." https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3488628 https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&ar...
      - Hasknewbie 9y ago
        Dude, you are quoting an unsourced study about Norway from an article written in 2010.
        raverbashing 9y ago
        Do you really think the profile is different now? Do you really think people won't lie to get an advantage Naivete is strong it seems
    - Yetanfou 9y ago
      Sweden has started doing medical age tests on migrants who claim to be minors. The tests are still voluntary and the results are not binding in any way. The first results are in with the 'expected' results: 76% of those claiming to be minors are in fact over the age of 18. they tested 581 asylum seekers (96% were men, 4% women). 442 of them (430 men, 12 women) were over 18 according to the test results. 5 of them (all women) were possibly over the age of 18. 134 of them (133 men, 1 woman) were possibly under the age of 18. None of them were certainly under the age of 18. So, yes, those who expected the majority to lie about their age have been proven correct. https://www.rmv.se/aktuellt/de-forsta-medicinska-aldersbedomningarna-klara/ https://www.rmv.se/aktuellt/de-forsta-medicinska-aldersbedom...

Hasknewbie 9y ago

>> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regarding your source: Specifically regarding Sweden, this does not really counter what I said. Your source notes that the demographic that leans (very) heavily male is unaccompanied minors (in fact it seems they account for almost all of the male imbalance in Sweden?). These are not single adult males (I used that term because the linked blog heavily relies on the "dangerous young adult" trope mentioned by Snopes -- by 'single' I mean 'not married'). Your source however does show that there are more adult males registered in Greece and Italy. Quick aside: registered refugees do not get to choose their assigned countries of residence if/when their status as refugee is recognized. I'd say there is quite a world of difference between groups of "young adult males" and unaccompanied minors (who are in that situation presumably because they have lost their families). >> and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are But do you have better sources than this one which says these are boys, not men? The point of my post was that the linked blog made loaded claims without substantiating them, so I only went as far a providing a counter-point. Maybe the current Swedish government does in fact have a policy locally favoring male refugees directly or indirectly (which in absolute is possible since, as noted above, refugees don't get to choose where they end up), but he provided no evidence.

raverbashing 9y ago
"unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?
- Hasknewbie 9y ago
  I'm sure an overwhelming number of unaccompanied minor refugees are in fact adults claiming to be 17. /s
  - beagle3 9y ago
    Don't be so sure they aren't. They have every incentive in the world to lie. They already violated international law once by seeking refugee status in Sweden instead of first peaceful port. Either way, even if they are just 16, it does not change the fact that two years later, the vast majority of adult refugees are male.
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    "but a study using dental tests in Norway revealed that 9 out of 10 underage refugee children were actually older than 18." https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=3488628 https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&ar...
    - Hasknewbie 9y ago
      Dude, you are quoting an unsourced study about Norway from an article written in 2010.
      - raverbashing 9y ago
        Do you really think the profile is different now? Do you really think people won't lie to get an advantage Naivete is strong it seems
  - Yetanfou 9y ago
    Sweden has started doing medical age tests on migrants who claim to be minors. The tests are still voluntary and the results are not binding in any way. The first results are in with the 'expected' results: 76% of those claiming to be minors are in fact over the age of 18. they tested 581 asylum seekers (96% were men, 4% women). 442 of them (430 men, 12 women) were over 18 according to the test results. 5 of them (all women) were possibly over the age of 18. 134 of them (133 men, 1 woman) were possibly under the age of 18. None of them were certainly under the age of 18. So, yes, those who expected the majority to lie about their age have been proven correct. https://www.rmv.se/aktuellt/de-forsta-medicinska-aldersbedomningarna-klara/ https://www.rmv.se/aktuellt/de-forsta-medicinska-aldersbedom...