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Hasknewbie 9y ago
TL;DR: Link is to a rambling blog article about a perceived slight (moving money from a 'foreign aid' budget to a 'refugees' one) that will have an unsubstantiated outcome (Sweden will accept only male refugees in the country), apparently based on a well-known falsehood ("most refugees are single adult males" [1]). Blog has articles such as "Sweden should have guns like Texas because ISIS!". Blog author is not Swedish but lives there. You gotta love how immigrants (who typically don't peep much and commit either the same level of or less crimes than natives [2]) are often accused of not integrating enough, while you can always find white immigrants like our blogger here ready to lecture their host country on how they should run themselves. I suspect some of the off-topic comments in this thread are because this is about Sweden, a country that has become the target of all sorts of fantasies by much of the Western far right. [1] http://www.snopes.com/refugee-invaders-meme/ http://www.snopes.com/refugee-invaders-meme/ [2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2
- beagle3 9y ago
  Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are. I quote from [0] which links to primary sources, including the swedish immigration authorities (which I cannot confirm because I can't read swedish): """ According to Swedish government statistics, as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male. More than 21 percent of all migrants to Sweden were classified as unaccompanied minors, representing more than half of all minor migrants to the country. For accompanied minors, the sex ratio was about 1.16 boys for every one girl. But for unaccompanied minors, the ratio was 11.3 boys for every one girl. In other words, the Swedish case confirms IOM’s statistic that more than 90 percent of unaccompanied minors are male. Indeed, on average, approximately 90 unaccompanied boys entered Sweden every single day in 2015, compared with eight unaccompanied girls. """ [0] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refugees-migrant-crisis-men-213500 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refuge...
  - Hasknewbie 9y ago
    >> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regarding your source: Specifically regarding Sweden, this does not really counter what I said. Your source notes that the demographic that leans (very) heavily male is unaccompanied minors (in fact it seems they account for almost all of the male imbalance in Sweden?). These are not single adult males (I used that term because the linked blog heavily relies on the "dangerous young adult" trope mentioned by Snopes -- by 'single' I mean 'not married'). Your source however does show that there are more adult males registered in Greece and Italy. Quick aside: registered refugees do not get to choose their assigned countries of residence if/when their status as refugee is recognized. I'd say there is quite a world of difference between groups of "young adult males" and unaccompanied minors (who are in that situation presumably because they have lost their families). >> and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are But do you have better sources than this one which says these are boys, not men? The point of my post was that the linked blog made loaded claims without substantiating them, so I only went as far a providing a counter-point. Maybe the current Swedish government does in fact have a policy locally favoring male refugees directly or indirectly (which in absolute is possible since, as noted above, refugees don't get to choose where they end up), but he provided no evidence.
    - raverbashing 9y ago
      "unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?
      - Hasknewbie 9y ago
        I'm sure an overwhelming number of unaccompanied minor refugees are in fact adults claiming to be 17. /s
        9y ago
- rimliu 9y ago
  Care to show data about Sweden for 2016? Because your first link talks only about Syrian refugees and only a fraction (<30%) of those coming to Europe were from Sweden. It also talks about refugees in neighbouring countries, which changes the picture a lot. > as of 16 March 2016 they had recorded nearly 5 million registered > Syrian refugees: 2.1 million of them in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and > Lebanon, another 1.9 million in Turkey, and more than 28,000 in > North Africa. Go see http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics#Asylum_applicants http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... and "well-known falsehood" is not that a falsehood any more. The second link talks about old stats before the "great influx".
  - Hasknewbie 9y ago
    I don't have any, as said in my reply to beagle3, I was commenting on an article that was making claims about Sweden without showing data. And the data I found, which is more general, does contradict his claim. Regarding the refugees entering Europe: initially something like 90% of refugees were in Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan, but the camps there started to crumble under the demographic pressure and lack of funds, and people started a westward migration. Most people arriving in Greece are in fact coming out of Turkish refugee camps, as far as I know. So Europe saw its number of refugees double from 10 to 20% in pretty much one year, and it's not really known if the deal with Turkey will stabilize this number. Your source is better than mine and does show an imbalance in the adult demographics applying for refugee status in Europe, but it is still lacking enough details to support a "single adult males storming the gate" hypothesis: according to the Snopes article most "entering-the-EU-as-single" male refugees are married or part of a family but cross over to Europe alone to apply for the status and then bring their family in later, officially and through non shady/dangerous routes. It makes sense that they would temporarily leave their family in the relative safety of established camps, and the fact that there is no male-leaning imbalance in the overall refugee population supports this. I can't find the source for this but in general "unmarried/alone young adult males" represent a small amount of the overall refugee population [1]. I will also point out again that refugees are in fact "applicants", and once accepted do not choose in what country they end up. If Sweden ends up with a disproportionate number of young men, it will be because of a policy decision, not because they walked in a settled there. Case in point: Canada is taking in plenty of refugees, but not unmarried adult men: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/canada-exclusion-refugees-single-syrian-men-assad-isis https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/canada-exclusi... [1] There is this piece by Samantha Bee: https://youtu.be/na7pFnoLxjw?t=3m6s https://youtu.be/na7pFnoLxjw?t=3m6s saying it's about 2%, but it's about the US and they provide no source, and I suspect a refugee expert being interviewed on a liberal show will not be accepted by some.
- jjawssd 9y ago
  The blogger is a Muslim immigrant from Bosnia that immigrated when he was very young.

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Hasknewbie 9y ago

TL;DR: Link is to a rambling blog article about a perceived slight (moving money from a 'foreign aid' budget to a 'refugees' one) that will have an unsubstantiated outcome (Sweden will accept only male refugees in the country), apparently based on a well-known falsehood ("most refugees are single adult males" [1]). Blog has articles such as "Sweden should have guns like Texas because ISIS!". Blog author is not Swedish but lives there. You gotta love how immigrants (who typically don't peep much and commit either the same level of or less crimes than natives [2]) are often accused of not integrating enough, while you can always find white immigrants like our blogger here ready to lecture their host country on how they should run themselves. I suspect some of the off-topic comments in this thread are because this is about Sweden, a country that has become the target of all sorts of fantasies by much of the Western far right. [1] http://www.snopes.com/refugee-invaders-meme/ http://www.snopes.com/refugee-invaders-meme/ [2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-015-0543-2

beagle3 9y ago
Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are. I quote from [0] which links to primary sources, including the swedish immigration authorities (which I cannot confirm because I can't read swedish): """ According to Swedish government statistics, as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male. More than 21 percent of all migrants to Sweden were classified as unaccompanied minors, representing more than half of all minor migrants to the country. For accompanied minors, the sex ratio was about 1.16 boys for every one girl. But for unaccompanied minors, the ratio was 11.3 boys for every one girl. In other words, the Swedish case confirms IOM’s statistic that more than 90 percent of unaccompanied minors are male. Indeed, on average, approximately 90 unaccompanied boys entered Sweden every single day in 2015, compared with eight unaccompanied girls. """ [0] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refugees-migrant-crisis-men-213500 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refuge...
- Hasknewbie 9y ago
  >> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regarding your source: Specifically regarding Sweden, this does not really counter what I said. Your source notes that the demographic that leans (very) heavily male is unaccompanied minors (in fact it seems they account for almost all of the male imbalance in Sweden?). These are not single adult males (I used that term because the linked blog heavily relies on the "dangerous young adult" trope mentioned by Snopes -- by 'single' I mean 'not married'). Your source however does show that there are more adult males registered in Greece and Italy. Quick aside: registered refugees do not get to choose their assigned countries of residence if/when their status as refugee is recognized. I'd say there is quite a world of difference between groups of "young adult males" and unaccompanied minors (who are in that situation presumably because they have lost their families). >> and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are But do you have better sources than this one which says these are boys, not men? The point of my post was that the linked blog made loaded claims without substantiating them, so I only went as far a providing a counter-point. Maybe the current Swedish government does in fact have a policy locally favoring male refugees directly or indirectly (which in absolute is possible since, as noted above, refugees don't get to choose where they end up), but he provided no evidence.
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    "unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?
    - Hasknewbie 9y ago
      I'm sure an overwhelming number of unaccompanied minor refugees are in fact adults claiming to be 17. /s
      - 9y ago
rimliu 9y ago
Care to show data about Sweden for 2016? Because your first link talks only about Syrian refugees and only a fraction (<30%) of those coming to Europe were from Sweden. It also talks about refugees in neighbouring countries, which changes the picture a lot. > as of 16 March 2016 they had recorded nearly 5 million registered > Syrian refugees: 2.1 million of them in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and > Lebanon, another 1.9 million in Turkey, and more than 28,000 in > North Africa. Go see http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics#Asylum_applicants http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... and "well-known falsehood" is not that a falsehood any more. The second link talks about old stats before the "great influx".
- Hasknewbie 9y ago
  I don't have any, as said in my reply to beagle3, I was commenting on an article that was making claims about Sweden without showing data. And the data I found, which is more general, does contradict his claim. Regarding the refugees entering Europe: initially something like 90% of refugees were in Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan, but the camps there started to crumble under the demographic pressure and lack of funds, and people started a westward migration. Most people arriving in Greece are in fact coming out of Turkish refugee camps, as far as I know. So Europe saw its number of refugees double from 10 to 20% in pretty much one year, and it's not really known if the deal with Turkey will stabilize this number. Your source is better than mine and does show an imbalance in the adult demographics applying for refugee status in Europe, but it is still lacking enough details to support a "single adult males storming the gate" hypothesis: according to the Snopes article most "entering-the-EU-as-single" male refugees are married or part of a family but cross over to Europe alone to apply for the status and then bring their family in later, officially and through non shady/dangerous routes. It makes sense that they would temporarily leave their family in the relative safety of established camps, and the fact that there is no male-leaning imbalance in the overall refugee population supports this. I can't find the source for this but in general "unmarried/alone young adult males" represent a small amount of the overall refugee population [1]. I will also point out again that refugees are in fact "applicants", and once accepted do not choose in what country they end up. If Sweden ends up with a disproportionate number of young men, it will be because of a policy decision, not because they walked in a settled there. Case in point: Canada is taking in plenty of refugees, but not unmarried adult men: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/canada-exclusion-refugees-single-syrian-men-assad-isis https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/canada-exclusi... [1] There is this piece by Samantha Bee: https://youtu.be/na7pFnoLxjw?t=3m6s https://youtu.be/na7pFnoLxjw?t=3m6s saying it's about 2%, but it's about the US and they provide no source, and I suspect a refugee expert being interviewed on a liberal show will not be accepted by some.
jjawssd 9y ago
The blogger is a Muslim immigrant from Bosnia that immigrated when he was very young.