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> If you start a gay social network in US, can Russia come in (the first time you are flying in one of the Russia's partners territories) and say "you are break

> If you start a gay social network in US, can Russia come in (the first time you are flying in one of the Russia's partners territories) and say "you are breaking Russian gay laws, you are under arrest"? Yes.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
People often don't realize that if you fly through US airspace after violating certain US laws as non-citizens, you will be apprehended through an emergency layover coordinated with the carrier. That's a contributor to why US federal three letter agencies constantly ingest passenger manifests.
- khuey 9y ago
  Like this guy http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-removed-from-aeromexico-flight-id-d-1.904877 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-removed-from-aero...
  - dumbneurologist 9y ago
    what ever happened to him? the news with his name stops the day he was arrested.
    - throwawayjava 9y ago
      > the news with his name stops the day he was arrested. That's usually a good sign that nothing exciting happened; business as usual. He was arrested in early June and by early July was on parole with family in Seattle: http://databank.isranet.org/article.asp?article=64465 http://databank.isranet.org/article.asp?article=64465 After which terror charges were never filed and the gov't began seeking deportation on extraordinarily pedestrian grounds, with his lawyer speaking publicly about the case: http://www.kolkenandkolken.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=Immigration%20Case%20Successes&refno=3268 http://www.kolkenandkolken.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=de... Can't find anything after that, but he's not listed in the USCIS's Online Detainee Locator System and AFAIK could not have been legally deported to Somalia. WikiLeaks documents on him, combined with other sources, paint a picture that he's either a) a somewhat prolific terrorist/human trafficker; or b) a politically active Muslim immigrant in the USA who might be kinda sorta guilty of some clerical crimes and may've acted a teensy bit dodgy when returning to the USA. (b) is probably way more likely given that DHS was apparently OK releasing him on parole.
sigmar 9y ago
Countries charge foreign nationals of crimes all the time. The fact that this is surprising to many people in these comments is horrifying.
- frozenport 9y ago
  That's not confusing, what's confusing is his lack of direct association with the USA. There are a handful of other countries that would appear to be more responsibility for his actions.
  - kijin 9y ago
    Given that Greece is willing to extradite him and we haven't heard anything from the numerous countries where this guy has a business presence, I suppose most of the other countries involved are happy to have the USA deal with this guy. Not every country has the resources to track down billions of dollars' worth of BTC transactions and use them to build a bulletproof case against a specific person. So if someone else offers to do it for free, why say no?
  - wbl 9y ago
    He conducted transactions with US persons as part of the illegal conduct. That's a sufficient nexus.
  - PeterisP 9y ago
    Ah, but the fact that there are a handful of other countries doesn't change anything - he can be prosecuted in all and each of these countries for various parts of that scheme. USA prosecuting him doesn't mean that other countries can't, it simply means that USA was a bit quicker to do so. For example, it's technically possible that he's acquitted in USA for the AML part, but immediately after that gets extradited to Japan for some charges regarding the MtGox hack.
smitherfield 9y ago
You're right, despite being downvoted, although such an arrest would almost certainly become a major diplomatic incident. OTOH someone who broke a Russian law we don't find objectionable (and who isn't connected or famous) would be unlikely to get much assistance from the embassy beyond basic legal advice and help hiring a lawyer.
- RandVal30142 9y ago
  >despite being downvoted Ain't no thang but a chicken wang. I have a few deep biases against the Russian govt for reasons I won't delve into here. Despite this I believe in extradition laws as a tool of enforcement beyond borders and a means of political outreach/goodwill building. If Russia made unreasonable demands then we would be right to turn them down. If they need assistance with something truly heinous and actionable then it feels like our duty to act upon it. These international interactions are just as important as education & commerce to building lasting diplomatic relations.
stepik777 9y ago
Russia mostly prefers to block websites instead of prosecuting their creators. E.g. btc-e.com (but not btc-e.nz) was blocked in Russia but they didn't care about its owners.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

People often don't realize that if you fly through US airspace after violating certain US laws as non-citizens, you will be apprehended through an emergency layover coordinated with the carrier. That's a contributor to why US federal three letter agencies constantly ingest passenger manifests.

khuey 9y ago
Like this guy http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-removed-from-aeromexico-flight-id-d-1.904877 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-removed-from-aero...
- dumbneurologist 9y ago
  what ever happened to him? the news with his name stops the day he was arrested.
  - throwawayjava 9y ago
    > the news with his name stops the day he was arrested. That's usually a good sign that nothing exciting happened; business as usual. He was arrested in early June and by early July was on parole with family in Seattle: http://databank.isranet.org/article.asp?article=64465 http://databank.isranet.org/article.asp?article=64465 After which terror charges were never filed and the gov't began seeking deportation on extraordinarily pedestrian grounds, with his lawyer speaking publicly about the case: http://www.kolkenandkolken.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=Immigration%20Case%20Successes&refno=3268 http://www.kolkenandkolken.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=de... Can't find anything after that, but he's not listed in the USCIS's Online Detainee Locator System and AFAIK could not have been legally deported to Somalia. WikiLeaks documents on him, combined with other sources, paint a picture that he's either a) a somewhat prolific terrorist/human trafficker; or b) a politically active Muslim immigrant in the USA who might be kinda sorta guilty of some clerical crimes and may've acted a teensy bit dodgy when returning to the USA. (b) is probably way more likely given that DHS was apparently OK releasing him on parole.

sigmar 9y ago

Countries charge foreign nationals of crimes all the time. The fact that this is surprising to many people in these comments is horrifying.

frozenport 9y ago
That's not confusing, what's confusing is his lack of direct association with the USA. There are a handful of other countries that would appear to be more responsibility for his actions.
- kijin 9y ago
  Given that Greece is willing to extradite him and we haven't heard anything from the numerous countries where this guy has a business presence, I suppose most of the other countries involved are happy to have the USA deal with this guy. Not every country has the resources to track down billions of dollars' worth of BTC transactions and use them to build a bulletproof case against a specific person. So if someone else offers to do it for free, why say no?
- wbl 9y ago
  He conducted transactions with US persons as part of the illegal conduct. That's a sufficient nexus.
- PeterisP 9y ago
  Ah, but the fact that there are a handful of other countries doesn't change anything - he can be prosecuted in all and each of these countries for various parts of that scheme. USA prosecuting him doesn't mean that other countries can't, it simply means that USA was a bit quicker to do so. For example, it's technically possible that he's acquitted in USA for the AML part, but immediately after that gets extradited to Japan for some charges regarding the MtGox hack.

smitherfield 9y ago

You're right, despite being downvoted, although such an arrest would almost certainly become a major diplomatic incident. OTOH someone who broke a Russian law we don't find objectionable (and who isn't connected or famous) would be unlikely to get much assistance from the embassy beyond basic legal advice and help hiring a lawyer.

RandVal30142 9y ago
>despite being downvoted Ain't no thang but a chicken wang. I have a few deep biases against the Russian govt for reasons I won't delve into here. Despite this I believe in extradition laws as a tool of enforcement beyond borders and a means of political outreach/goodwill building. If Russia made unreasonable demands then we would be right to turn them down. If they need assistance with something truly heinous and actionable then it feels like our duty to act upon it. These international interactions are just as important as education & commerce to building lasting diplomatic relations.

stepik777 9y ago

Russia mostly prefers to block websites instead of prosecuting their creators. E.g. btc-e.com (but not btc-e.nz) was blocked in Russia but they didn't care about its owners.