Well then ekianjo's argument is even weaker, because "STEM" now clearly includes at least one thing that is unambiguously not "science"... (besides which, ther

Well then ekianjo's argument is even weaker, because "STEM" now clearly includes at least one thing that is unambiguously not "science"... (besides which, there are some obvious problems here -- not least of which is that many sciences rely on mathematical objects in probability and statistics to determine what is and is not true about observations. IMO modern science is inseparable from mathematics, and concrete mathematical objects form most of the philosophical substrate of modern scientific practice... so, if "science" is separated from "mathematics", that's only the case in some primitive high school understanding of how modern science is actually performed in reality. Maybe that's a problem with how science is performed in reality, but AFAICT it seems to be working pretty well in most areas with some notable huge exceptions.)