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You have obviously never tried to form a union. I have and I did it in a country where it is legal to do so. Our union took over 10 years of very tough struggle

You have obviously never tried to form a union. I have and I did it in a country where it is legal to do so. Our union took over 10 years of very tough struggle in addition to our normal paid work before the company felt enough pressure to sign a contract with us. Now we finally have some protections against precarity that we didn't have before. But we could have saved ourselves a lot of hardship if the government had just guaranteed them to us. And we are privileged workers compared with most. Most people couldn't afford to take the risks we did or afford to put that much of their spare time into organising a union. Your views and understanding of this issue are trash and clearly come from a place of never having to worry about your job or livelihood.

conanbatt 9y ago
> You have obviously never tried to form a union. Nope, I've only been screwed by unions my entire life as a worker with mandatory unionization and a consumer with import restrictions and service outages. > Now we finally have some protections against precarity that we didn't have before. But we could have saved ourselves a lot of hardship if the government had just guaranteed them to us. That is true for any desire. If the government gave me anything for granted, then I wouldnt have to work for it at all. The question about the precarity of the market you were/are is completely out of my knowledge, but I could argue that what you needed was a way to make the company responsible for the accidents and the health problems that arise from that work, or have some sort of work insurance that would align the incentives of the employers and the employee(make safer work spaces to reduce insurance claims). That is a very reasonable thing to ask of the government. > Your views and understanding of this issue are trash Compelling.

conanbatt 9y ago

> You have obviously never tried to form a union. Nope, I've only been screwed by unions my entire life as a worker with mandatory unionization and a consumer with import restrictions and service outages. > Now we finally have some protections against precarity that we didn't have before. But we could have saved ourselves a lot of hardship if the government had just guaranteed them to us. That is true for any desire. If the government gave me anything for granted, then I wouldnt have to work for it at all. The question about the precarity of the market you were/are is completely out of my knowledge, but I could argue that what you needed was a way to make the company responsible for the accidents and the health problems that arise from that work, or have some sort of work insurance that would align the incentives of the employers and the employee(make safer work spaces to reduce insurance claims). That is a very reasonable thing to ask of the government. > Your views and understanding of this issue are trash Compelling.