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I'd suggest that it warrants more investigation than just writing it off as Apple trashes networks. Hybrid Apple/Windows households have been common for the lar

by csydas 9y ago

I'd suggest that it warrants more investigation than just writing it off as Apple trashes networks. Hybrid Apple/Windows households have been common for the larger part of 2 decades now and certainly others do not experience the same issues guaranteed. So rather, the title would be Apple devices cause issues on your home network. Or more accurately, something on your home network works in an unintended fashion when your son's iPhone connects.

ams6110 9y ago
It's not just his iPhone. It's iPads, any Apple device that has been "away" for a while and then comes back. TFA describes how Apple is taking shortcuts in the DHCP negotiation. I blame them for assuming that the previous IP address assigned to the device will still be available.
- csydas 9y ago
  Well, while this may be the case, I'm not quite sure how Apple device assuming same IP as before somehow triggers the disconnect from the rest. It may be part of the steps required to reproduce, but hundreds of other consumer routers with standard configuration handle such a scenario without booting the rest of the attached clients, which is why I woudl rephrase it as unexpected behavior from the router. And Apple isn't taking a shortcut or a hack here, it's a known scheme: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4436.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4436.txt It's not so much doing anything special as crafting a special call to the network it tries to connect to. It's more of a shortcut to know if the Mac should go to the DHCP phase rather than cheating its way on to the network.
subway 9y ago
Odds are high that GP's router is configured to give out addresses sequentially, with a fairly short lease and the wireless ap is configured to disallow communication between wireless hosts. I'm thinking the odds they'll change the configuration vs yell about apple devices aren't so high.

by csydas 9y ago

ams6110 9y ago

It's not just his iPhone. It's iPads, any Apple device that has been "away" for a while and then comes back. TFA describes how Apple is taking shortcuts in the DHCP negotiation. I blame them for assuming that the previous IP address assigned to the device will still be available.

csydas 9y ago
Well, while this may be the case, I'm not quite sure how Apple device assuming same IP as before somehow triggers the disconnect from the rest. It may be part of the steps required to reproduce, but hundreds of other consumer routers with standard configuration handle such a scenario without booting the rest of the attached clients, which is why I woudl rephrase it as unexpected behavior from the router. And Apple isn't taking a shortcut or a hack here, it's a known scheme: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4436.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4436.txt It's not so much doing anything special as crafting a special call to the network it tries to connect to. It's more of a shortcut to know if the Mac should go to the DHCP phase rather than cheating its way on to the network.

subway 9y ago

Odds are high that GP's router is configured to give out addresses sequentially, with a fairly short lease and the wireless ap is configured to disallow communication between wireless hosts. I'm thinking the odds they'll change the configuration vs yell about apple devices aren't so high.