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Enable MP3 support for Commons uploads and TMH/etc. playback

42 points by yuhong 9y ago

frik 9y ago
Finally one will be able to play the embeddded audio files that are on wiki pages on sone platforms/software. MP3 is far better supported everywhere than OGG.
- TD-Linux 9y ago
  You can already play Wikipedia's audio files on Edge or Safari. Try it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Adventure_Lights.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Adventure_Lights.ogg Spoiler: it's ogv.js.
  - yuhong 9y ago
    Note this has been a problem as long as Wikipedia existed though.
  - protocow 9y ago
    Cool, but, as for your example, I didn't recognize those sounds as music and for a moment thought I couldn't play ogg after all. Try instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozart_-_Eine_kleine_Nachtmusik_-_1._Allegro.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozart_-_Eine_kleine_Nach...
  - comex 9y ago
    Doesn’t work on iOS, even though the official ogv.js demo works.
    - morecoffee 9y ago
      Adding on to this: iOS doesn't play mp3 for mp4 containers either. Encoding media to play on an iDevice means resorting to AAC, which doesn't have as good licensed codecs.
p1mrx 9y ago
Never thought I'd see MP3 as a free, open standard. Will Safari drop support for it now?
- masklinn 9y ago
  You jest, but you do realise native Opus support was added to iOS11 and macOS 10.13 right?
  - cpach 9y ago
    That’s pretty awesome. Do you perhaps have any link to more info about this?
    - masklinn 9y ago
      https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap... > Today we are thrilled to announce WebKit support for WebRTC, available on Safari on macOS High Sierra, iOS 11, and Safari Technology Preview 32. […] Safari supports modern audio codecs such as Opus
      - cpach 9y ago
        Neat! This seems like a very promising development.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
    In standalone files, though? Or just in WebRTC?
    - masklinn 9y ago
      https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap... only talks about WebRTC, but according to https://hetzel.net/2017-06-12/ios-11-opus-support-in-podcast-feeds/ https://hetzel.net/2017-06-12/ios-11-opus-support-in-podcast... > iOS 11 comes with native playback support for the Opus audio codec inside the CAF container. > In Beta 1, there is no support for playing Opus in CAF files in Safari, but… > Podcasts.app supports Opus playback, if you claim the file is AAC, although it’s CAF containing Opus.
chaz6 9y ago
There is a lot of mp3 media out there, but I would encourage people to use Opus[1] where possible. [1] http://opus-codec.org/comparison/ http://opus-codec.org/comparison/
- lawless123 9y ago
  is this built into device hardware?
  - anc84 9y ago
    Sure! As Opus is used for audio in WebRTC and many Voip products there are hardware implementations available and shipped in masses.
anc84 9y ago
I don't see a compelling reason to enable this. Opus is superior in every way.
- masklinn 9y ago
  > I don't see a compelling reason to enable this. Clients support.
  - anc84 9y ago
    WebRTC uses Opus. I don't think a web browser that does not support WebRTC is worth caring about.
    - masklinn 9y ago
      WebRTC requires Opus support for WebRTC. That does not mean arbitrary containers with an Opus stream inside is supported. For instance Lollipop supports Opus in a Matroska container, iOS11 supports Opus in a CAF container, ...
      - anc84 9y ago
        So? Even Microsoft Edge supports Opus in webm.
        masklinn 9y ago
        1. LAV filters do that, if you can't install LAV filters (Windows 10S?), it won't work 2. and as expected you're now tearing the lawn running with the goalposts, supporting opus and supporting opus in webm are — as I just told you — very different requirements
        anc84 9y ago
        https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/04/18/webm-vp9-and-opus-support-in-microsoft-edge/ https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/04/18/webm-vp9-and-... edit: I won't continue arguing since you keep editing your posts.
kenrick95 9y ago
From the discussions there, in summary, it seemed that: MP3 will be supported by MediaWiki, WMF legal team has approved usage MP3 in Wikimedia projects, and Wikimedia Commons and other wikis will discuss whether to enable MP3 uploading.

42 points by yuhong 9y ago

frik 9y ago

Finally one will be able to play the embeddded audio files that are on wiki pages on sone platforms/software. MP3 is far better supported everywhere than OGG.

TD-Linux 9y ago
You can already play Wikipedia's audio files on Edge or Safari. Try it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Adventure_Lights.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Adventure_Lights.ogg Spoiler: it's ogv.js.
- yuhong 9y ago
  Note this has been a problem as long as Wikipedia existed though.
- protocow 9y ago
  Cool, but, as for your example, I didn't recognize those sounds as music and for a moment thought I couldn't play ogg after all. Try instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozart_-_Eine_kleine_Nachtmusik_-_1._Allegro.ogg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozart_-_Eine_kleine_Nach...
- comex 9y ago
  Doesn’t work on iOS, even though the official ogv.js demo works.
  - morecoffee 9y ago
    Adding on to this: iOS doesn't play mp3 for mp4 containers either. Encoding media to play on an iDevice means resorting to AAC, which doesn't have as good licensed codecs.

p1mrx 9y ago

Never thought I'd see MP3 as a free, open standard. Will Safari drop support for it now?

masklinn 9y ago
You jest, but you do realise native Opus support was added to iOS11 and macOS 10.13 right?
- cpach 9y ago
  That’s pretty awesome. Do you perhaps have any link to more info about this?
  - masklinn 9y ago
    https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap... > Today we are thrilled to announce WebKit support for WebRTC, available on Safari on macOS High Sierra, iOS 11, and Safari Technology Preview 32. […] Safari supports modern audio codecs such as Opus
    - cpach 9y ago
      Neat! This seems like a very promising development.
- TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
  In standalone files, though? Or just in WebRTC?
  - masklinn 9y ago
    https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap... only talks about WebRTC, but according to https://hetzel.net/2017-06-12/ios-11-opus-support-in-podcast-feeds/ https://hetzel.net/2017-06-12/ios-11-opus-support-in-podcast... > iOS 11 comes with native playback support for the Opus audio codec inside the CAF container. > In Beta 1, there is no support for playing Opus in CAF files in Safari, but… > Podcasts.app supports Opus playback, if you claim the file is AAC, although it’s CAF containing Opus.

chaz6 9y ago

There is a lot of mp3 media out there, but I would encourage people to use Opus[1] where possible. [1] http://opus-codec.org/comparison/ http://opus-codec.org/comparison/

lawless123 9y ago
is this built into device hardware?
- anc84 9y ago
  Sure! As Opus is used for audio in WebRTC and many Voip products there are hardware implementations available and shipped in masses.

anc84 9y ago

I don't see a compelling reason to enable this. Opus is superior in every way.

masklinn 9y ago
> I don't see a compelling reason to enable this. Clients support.
- anc84 9y ago
  WebRTC uses Opus. I don't think a web browser that does not support WebRTC is worth caring about.
  - masklinn 9y ago
    WebRTC requires Opus support for WebRTC. That does not mean arbitrary containers with an Opus stream inside is supported. For instance Lollipop supports Opus in a Matroska container, iOS11 supports Opus in a CAF container, ...
    - anc84 9y ago
      So? Even Microsoft Edge supports Opus in webm.
      - masklinn 9y ago
        1. LAV filters do that, if you can't install LAV filters (Windows 10S?), it won't work 2. and as expected you're now tearing the lawn running with the goalposts, supporting opus and supporting opus in webm are — as I just told you — very different requirements
        anc84 9y ago
        https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/04/18/webm-vp9-and-opus-support-in-microsoft-edge/ https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/04/18/webm-vp9-and-... edit: I won't continue arguing since you keep editing your posts.

kenrick95 9y ago

From the discussions there, in summary, it seemed that: MP3 will be supported by MediaWiki, WMF legal team has approved usage MP3 in Wikimedia projects, and Wikimedia Commons and other wikis will discuss whether to enable MP3 uploading.