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I'm struggling to understand your point, because it just sounds like FUD. I mean that sincerely - you're not really backing up your concerns here, other than to

by dsacco 9y ago

I'm struggling to understand your point, because it just sounds like FUD. I mean that sincerely - you're not really backing up your concerns here, other than to (essentially) say the technology is new. Yes, emerging technologies can be risky. But as you just said, a programming language is also capable of a lot of harm. So what exactly are you proposing, and what precisely is your grievance? You're going to have to "think about a Level 5 autonomous vehicle" if you want to convince opponents of your position, because you'll need to come up with a more convincing argument than, "I don't want to think about how dangerous it could be."

zekrioca 9y ago
I am not sure AI is a new thing..
blackhawk95 9y ago
Hadn't there been an incident where Microsoft had a chat bot that started swearing on people after having conversation with internet people. So like that, if say a caretaker humanoid uses machine learning to learn from human and if these robots learn that humans fight to protect their loved ones...maybe the bot could also pick up a fight with other humans for wrong reasons. I think its one way to explain what i felt about rouge AI, its not actually a bad AI, but a bad dataset used by AI.
- d0lph 9y ago
  There would probably be hard coded rules that could not be overriden by the AI. The 3 laws are pretty popular[0]. 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
istorical 9y ago
Do you really need someone to explain to you that AI is a force multiplier for an individual interested in terrorism? Autonomous drones are much better killing machines than a guy driving a semi truck through a crowded street in Nice. If AI advances to the point of being able to determine the most optimal path to a solution, and the pre-programmed solution by a terrorist is murder everyone you can find - do you not see the danger that increasingly sophisticated technology poses? Deciding what the solution to this problem is is non-trivial - but you have to be kidding me if you don't see that we're headed for a much scarier world when a disenfranchised person could give their AI robot the command to determine a plan to build the most devastating bomb possible, build the device, and go leave it in the optimally damaging place.
- dsacco 9y ago
  Yes, I really do need that explained to me, and no I'm not kidding when I say I don't see us heading for that future. Hey, I could be wrong! I'm willing to be wrong, this is not my primary domain of expertise. But I remain unconvinced by arguments that are consequentialist without any reasoning about the specifics, because they are just as susceptible to be hysterical as they are to being valid. Tell me exactly how you envision us getting from the current state of artificial intelligence to, "an arbitrary person to automate the design and deployment of a bomb, such that dangerous warfare is meaningfully democratized." I understand you think this is possible; a lot of things are possible. I want to know how you think we can get from point A to point B. I don't want to hear something that devolves to, runaway or recursive AI self-improvement. I'm a technical person - if that's a component of your argument, I want to understand how exactly you see the current state of the art in AI research proceeding to something that empowers people to participate in warfare with unprecedented capability and autonomy. "Programming" is a force multiplier, as is "lots of money." Let's talk about specifics, because very few people counter that it's simply not possible, they counter that it's not a priority concern, and they do so aware of the things you said. I can't combat an argument if you don't provide a sufficient amount of precision as to be refutable, and I'm going to have to say that I don't really worry more about AI on an axiomatic basis, just as I don't really worry about the Sun exploding. It's possible, it will probably happen, but is it relevant and how does it happen?

by dsacco 9y ago

zekrioca 9y ago

I am not sure AI is a new thing..

blackhawk95 9y ago

Hadn't there been an incident where Microsoft had a chat bot that started swearing on people after having conversation with internet people. So like that, if say a caretaker humanoid uses machine learning to learn from human and if these robots learn that humans fight to protect their loved ones...maybe the bot could also pick up a fight with other humans for wrong reasons. I think its one way to explain what i felt about rouge AI, its not actually a bad AI, but a bad dataset used by AI.

d0lph 9y ago
There would probably be hard coded rules that could not be overriden by the AI. The 3 laws are pretty popular[0]. 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

istorical 9y ago

Do you really need someone to explain to you that AI is a force multiplier for an individual interested in terrorism? Autonomous drones are much better killing machines than a guy driving a semi truck through a crowded street in Nice. If AI advances to the point of being able to determine the most optimal path to a solution, and the pre-programmed solution by a terrorist is murder everyone you can find - do you not see the danger that increasingly sophisticated technology poses? Deciding what the solution to this problem is is non-trivial - but you have to be kidding me if you don't see that we're headed for a much scarier world when a disenfranchised person could give their AI robot the command to determine a plan to build the most devastating bomb possible, build the device, and go leave it in the optimally damaging place.

dsacco 9y ago
Yes, I really do need that explained to me, and no I'm not kidding when I say I don't see us heading for that future. Hey, I could be wrong! I'm willing to be wrong, this is not my primary domain of expertise. But I remain unconvinced by arguments that are consequentialist without any reasoning about the specifics, because they are just as susceptible to be hysterical as they are to being valid. Tell me exactly how you envision us getting from the current state of artificial intelligence to, "an arbitrary person to automate the design and deployment of a bomb, such that dangerous warfare is meaningfully democratized." I understand you think this is possible; a lot of things are possible. I want to know how you think we can get from point A to point B. I don't want to hear something that devolves to, runaway or recursive AI self-improvement. I'm a technical person - if that's a component of your argument, I want to understand how exactly you see the current state of the art in AI research proceeding to something that empowers people to participate in warfare with unprecedented capability and autonomy. "Programming" is a force multiplier, as is "lots of money." Let's talk about specifics, because very few people counter that it's simply not possible, they counter that it's not a priority concern, and they do so aware of the things you said. I can't combat an argument if you don't provide a sufficient amount of precision as to be refutable, and I'm going to have to say that I don't really worry more about AI on an axiomatic basis, just as I don't really worry about the Sun exploding. It's possible, it will probably happen, but is it relevant and how does it happen?