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The majority of STEM workers by definition can't be top talent for the industry. Being a part of a world market for top talent makes sense. That's not what we h

by jrs95 9y ago

The majority of STEM workers by definition can't be top talent for the industry. Being a part of a world market for top talent makes sense. That's not what we have though. We don't even have enough people or average or mediocre talent. We're relying on a global labor market at the expense of our own citizens.

jxramos 9y ago
Seems to jibe with what I just read the other week in City Journal... """At a dinner for Silicon Valley executives in early 2011, President Barack Obama asked Apple CEO Steve Jobs what it would take to bring iPhone manufacturing back to America. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” the typically blunt Apple cofounder told the president. Examining Jobs’s claim, the New York Times looked at Apple’s vast Chinese operations and found that workers there not only worked for less than Americans did; more of them were skilled. To oversee production and guide some 200,000 assembly-line workers, Apple, for instance, needed 8,700 industrial engineers—positions that required more than a high school diploma but less than a full college degree. While abundant in China, these kinds of employees are harder to find in the United States. “The U.S. has stopped producing people with the skills we need,” an unnamed Apple executive told the Times.""" https://www.city-journal.org/html/vocational-ed-reborn-15253.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/vocational-ed-reborn-15253...
- gpawl 9y ago
  Industrial engineer jobs went to China because the low-wage factory job they oversee went to China. Industrial engineers would be easy to find if their was demand for them.
vonmoltke 9y ago
> We don't even have enough people or average or mediocre talent. I don't agree. I think we have far more average talent than we have companies willing to hire only average talent, particularly if said average talent does not already live within 20 miles of them.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  Exactly. The labor market (yes, including tech) is absolutely overflowing with average talent. It's just that every company seems to want to hire only the top 2%. Long-term flatline wages support this--if there truly were "not enough" people, wages would rise.

by jrs95 9y ago

jxramos 9y ago

Seems to jibe with what I just read the other week in City Journal... """At a dinner for Silicon Valley executives in early 2011, President Barack Obama asked Apple CEO Steve Jobs what it would take to bring iPhone manufacturing back to America. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” the typically blunt Apple cofounder told the president. Examining Jobs’s claim, the New York Times looked at Apple’s vast Chinese operations and found that workers there not only worked for less than Americans did; more of them were skilled. To oversee production and guide some 200,000 assembly-line workers, Apple, for instance, needed 8,700 industrial engineers—positions that required more than a high school diploma but less than a full college degree. While abundant in China, these kinds of employees are harder to find in the United States. “The U.S. has stopped producing people with the skills we need,” an unnamed Apple executive told the Times.""" https://www.city-journal.org/html/vocational-ed-reborn-15253.html https://www.city-journal.org/html/vocational-ed-reborn-15253...

gpawl 9y ago
Industrial engineer jobs went to China because the low-wage factory job they oversee went to China. Industrial engineers would be easy to find if their was demand for them.

vonmoltke 9y ago

> We don't even have enough people or average or mediocre talent. I don't agree. I think we have far more average talent than we have companies willing to hire only average talent, particularly if said average talent does not already live within 20 miles of them.

ryandrake 9y ago
Exactly. The labor market (yes, including tech) is absolutely overflowing with average talent. It's just that every company seems to want to hire only the top 2%. Long-term flatline wages support this--if there truly were "not enough" people, wages would rise.