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Indeed they also help keep wages and demand of American workers down.
by model_m_warrior 9y ago
Indeed they also help keep wages and demand of American workers down.
- ksk 9y agoJobs can't be "taken" they have to be "given".
- neo4sure 9y agoIndeed wages for STEM related work is better than the average JOB.
- lsc 9y agobut is this true? as a SysAdmin (a job often done by people like me, with no education at all) I make rather more than anyone I know working as a chemist, physicist, or mathematician, at least until they got tired of the low pay and became software engineers... but in my limited experience, I could say the same about people who studied poetry, philosophy or literature. There's a lot of talk about STEM, when as far as I can tell, the money is all in computers; the others might get you slightly above median salaries, but if they are above median, it's not by much.
- neo4sure 9y agoI was comparing against farm workers, coal workers, auto workers, restaurant workers, care givers etc. STEM by far will provide better wages. Although the education system is not built for this (hence migrants). Politicians also would like to keep people in the above jobs because the owners pay theiere bills.
- lsc 9y agoso you are saying that a STEM degree gets jobs that pay better than most jobs that don't require a degree at all? If you compare your average non-computer industry STEM job to something in Medicine, law or business... I think that STEM, outside of the computer industry, just doesn't pay that well, and it's kind of disingenuous to advertise it as a path to financial well being to young people who are so poor that they have to look at education as a monetary investment.
- model_m_warrior 9y agoSo what? All I hear is 'they could be EVEN better'. Unlike the comments below I have no issues proclaiming I'd rather the jobs go to Americans.
- model_m_warrior 9y agoSo what? All I hear is 'they could be EVEN better'. Unlike the comments below I have no issues proclaiming I'd rather the jobs go to Americans.
- baddox 9y agoI do not believe that American workers deserve better job opportunities than non-American workers.
- muninn_ 9y agoWell when you put it that way, of course. But it's not that simple.
- baddox 9y agoI don't think I'm using any manipulative phrasing. What do you think I am oversimplifying?
- muninn_ 9y agoI don't think you're being manipulative, but you are certainly oversimplifying the issue here. Of course everybody deserves a good job or good opportunities. But, just as such, everybody deserves happiness or kittens, or a good education. We strive for those things, generally, but we don't always hit the mark. When you make a statement like that, you completely ignore all of the other factors that matter. Ok, so somebody in India deserves a good tech job, does the American then move to India and take their place? Do they just lose their job and screw them? Do they get lucky and find another job? What if they loved that job? What if I want to move to Switzerland, do I deserve a good job there? What if they won't let me in? Do the have the right to do that? If they do, then aren't the Swiss preventing other people from these deserved jobs? It's naive. Good intentions, but naive.