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It's a fast-paced development! That's pretty great. I hope core team would consider slowing down a bit and catch up with Deployment, Monitoring(which Phoenix te

It's a fast-paced development! That's pretty great. I hope core team would consider slowing down a bit and catch up with Deployment, Monitoring(which Phoenix team working on it) and Platform(e.g. http/2) departments. v1.5 seems to have a bunch of bug fixes and deprecation (Hah! I'm not sure if it's like move fast and break thing). It is potentially the case. In every important part, there seems to have a solo smart person working on it. E.g. Cowboy(I know it's erlang but Phoenix depends on it significantly), Distillery. That could be a good thing. Less people may catch up with each other faster. It also mean a load of works! And also mean some convention are out of sync (e.g. configuration which I think Conform is the proper way lately)

josevalim 9y ago
> v1.5 seems to have a bunch of bug fixes and deprecation (Hah! I'm not sure if it's like move fast and break thing). It is potentially the case. It is definitely not the case. :) If anything breaks, please fill in a bug report and it will be fixed immediately.
- Existenceblinks 9y ago
  Yep, sure! I love Elixir a lot and didn't mean to complain anything <3 Thanks, you and all team members :)
  - josevalim 9y ago
    No worries and thank you! This feedback is important and I saw an opportunity to clarify our "no breaking changes" rule.
blatyo 9y ago
You mentioned the phoenix team is working on monitoring. Can you point me to where you heard that or any work being done on it?
- hackerboos 9y ago
  Shipping in 1.4 I believe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFpIjFOL-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFpIjFOL-I
- Existenceblinks 9y ago
  It's from Chris' keynote https://youtu.be/pfFpIjFOL-I?t=23m31s https://youtu.be/pfFpIjFOL-I?t=23m31s I haven't checked any task/issue tracker though.
pmontra 9y ago
Yep, I just finished to setup a build and deploy system for Phoenix using edeliver and it's definitely not nice. A bunch of files in different languages, it feels unnecessarily hard. I hope that'll put some effort in that.
- Existenceblinks 9y ago
  You could check https://github.com/labzero/bootleg https://github.com/labzero/bootleg which is simpler and flexible. (and of course missing some features)
  - qaq 9y ago
    Looks like a very straightforward way to do deploys thanx for posting the link.
- andruby 9y ago
  Elixir and Erlang deployments were tricky a few years ago, but I feel like now with distillery [0] it a lot better. I use it in docker multistage builds [1] and have been really happy with that. [0] https://github.com/bitwalker/distillery https://github.com/bitwalker/distillery [1] example dockerfile: https://gist.github.com/bsedat/16cb74ebc8ab0ed61ac598a129b0a7ea https://gist.github.com/bsedat/16cb74ebc8ab0ed61ac598a129b0a...
- pmarreck 9y ago
  I host the production site I'm working on at Gigalixir[1] (with the postgres DB in Google Cloud) and it's been pretty sweet. Deploys have been trivial (the way they should be, if you aren't interested in also becoming a devops expert). Jesse Shieh is extremely responsive and a committed founder. Unlike Heroku, Gigalixir does not restart its servers nightly, which is very relevant if you store any state app-side (such as a cache). [1] https://gigalixir.com/ https://gigalixir.com/
  - udfalkso 9y ago
    I wasn't aware of Gigalixir, thanks for mentioning that. Looks very promising. I've been hosting my site at https://clever-cloud.com https://clever-cloud.com with good results. I've been using Docker there but they just added beta Phoenix support which makes it really easy. They're French, and I'm in the US. So there have been time zone issues and support has been a bit lackluster at times, but generally they've fixed all the issues I've brought up and have been responsive. Price is right.
gamache 9y ago
You may want to check out the recent 2.0.0 release candidates for the Cowboy HTTP server -- HTTP/2 support is one of the changes. (It's technically Erlang, but most Elixir projects I've seen use it for HTTP, generally through the Phoenix framework.) https://github.com/ninenines/cowboy https://github.com/ninenines/cowboy

josevalim 9y ago

> v1.5 seems to have a bunch of bug fixes and deprecation (Hah! I'm not sure if it's like move fast and break thing). It is potentially the case. It is definitely not the case. :) If anything breaks, please fill in a bug report and it will be fixed immediately.

Existenceblinks 9y ago
Yep, sure! I love Elixir a lot and didn't mean to complain anything <3 Thanks, you and all team members :)
- josevalim 9y ago
  No worries and thank you! This feedback is important and I saw an opportunity to clarify our "no breaking changes" rule.

blatyo 9y ago

You mentioned the phoenix team is working on monitoring. Can you point me to where you heard that or any work being done on it?

hackerboos 9y ago
Shipping in 1.4 I believe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFpIjFOL-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFpIjFOL-I
Existenceblinks 9y ago
It's from Chris' keynote https://youtu.be/pfFpIjFOL-I?t=23m31s https://youtu.be/pfFpIjFOL-I?t=23m31s I haven't checked any task/issue tracker though.

pmontra 9y ago

Yep, I just finished to setup a build and deploy system for Phoenix using edeliver and it's definitely not nice. A bunch of files in different languages, it feels unnecessarily hard. I hope that'll put some effort in that.

Existenceblinks 9y ago
You could check https://github.com/labzero/bootleg https://github.com/labzero/bootleg which is simpler and flexible. (and of course missing some features)
- qaq 9y ago
  Looks like a very straightforward way to do deploys thanx for posting the link.
andruby 9y ago
Elixir and Erlang deployments were tricky a few years ago, but I feel like now with distillery [0] it a lot better. I use it in docker multistage builds [1] and have been really happy with that. [0] https://github.com/bitwalker/distillery https://github.com/bitwalker/distillery [1] example dockerfile: https://gist.github.com/bsedat/16cb74ebc8ab0ed61ac598a129b0a7ea https://gist.github.com/bsedat/16cb74ebc8ab0ed61ac598a129b0a...
pmarreck 9y ago
I host the production site I'm working on at Gigalixir[1] (with the postgres DB in Google Cloud) and it's been pretty sweet. Deploys have been trivial (the way they should be, if you aren't interested in also becoming a devops expert). Jesse Shieh is extremely responsive and a committed founder. Unlike Heroku, Gigalixir does not restart its servers nightly, which is very relevant if you store any state app-side (such as a cache). [1] https://gigalixir.com/ https://gigalixir.com/
- udfalkso 9y ago
  I wasn't aware of Gigalixir, thanks for mentioning that. Looks very promising. I've been hosting my site at https://clever-cloud.com https://clever-cloud.com with good results. I've been using Docker there but they just added beta Phoenix support which makes it really easy. They're French, and I'm in the US. So there have been time zone issues and support has been a bit lackluster at times, but generally they've fixed all the issues I've brought up and have been responsive. Price is right.

gamache 9y ago

You may want to check out the recent 2.0.0 release candidates for the Cowboy HTTP server -- HTTP/2 support is one of the changes. (It's technically Erlang, but most Elixir projects I've seen use it for HTTP, generally through the Phoenix framework.) https://github.com/ninenines/cowboy https://github.com/ninenines/cowboy