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A dull knife is fraud? Seriously? Knives are meant to me sharpened. The cheapest knife can be sharpened to razor blade sharpness. Sometimes new knives come sha

by 4ad 9y ago

A dull knife is fraud? Seriously? Knives are meant to me sharpened. The cheapest knife can be sharpened to razor blade sharpness. Sometimes new knives come sharpened somewhat, but in my experience all mass-produced knives need sharpening when new, even $250 knives. I genuinely can't comprehend the complaint. What next, buy a new car and complain it didn't come with the tank full?

ithkuil 9y ago
If it was a ceramic knife, would it still make sense for a customer to figure out how to sharpen one of those?
- 4ad 9y ago
  No, I would expect a ceramic knife to be sharp and I would expect it to remain sharp throughout its life.
  - blacksmith_tb 9y ago
    Unfortunately that's not possible, ceramic knives dull differently (the accumulate lots of tiny nicks or chips along the edge), but you can certainly sharpen them on a diamond stone, or with a dedicated sharpener, or in some cases send them back to the manufacturer[1]. 1: http://www.kyoceraknife.com/how-to-sharpen-ceramic-knives.html http://www.kyoceraknife.com/how-to-sharpen-ceramic-knives.ht...
freehunter 9y ago
>What next, buy a new car and complain it didn't come with the tank full? Yes. You should complain if you buy a new car and it doesn't come with a full tank of gas, or needs new tires, or needs an oil change right from the dealership. Those are things you expect from a new car, and they're the reasons you buy a new car. If I bought a used knife, I'd expect to sharpen it. If I buy a brand new knife, I expect it to be sharp right from the factory. If it's not, I could have saved money and just bought a steel rod and made my own knife out of it. A knife has one purpose: to be sharp. If it's not, it's not a knife. It's a cheap hunk of thin steel that they told you was a knife. There is zero reason a brand new product needs immediate maintenance before it can be used.
- 4ad 9y ago
  > Those are things you expect from a new car, and they're the reasons you buy a new car. Those are thing you expect from a new car, and they most certainly are not the reason I would buy a new car. > If I buy a brand new knife, I expect it to be sharp right from the factory. You might expect that, but the practical reality is that knives don't really come truly pre-sharpened, and there are many reasons for that. People don't realise that this is the case, because most people, in general, have really, really dull knives, so even a mediocre edge will seem comparatively sharp. But it isn't, it's just mediocre and once you have used a really sharp knife the difference becomes very apparent. There isn't one way to sharpen a knife. Some people prefer an asymmetric edge, some people hate asymmetric edges. Some people prefer shallow angles, some people prefer steep angles. Some people prefer knives sharped for slashing, some people prefer knives sharpened for slicing. There is no right way to sharpen a knife, it is something extremely user-specific and personal and there cannot be a way to pre-sharpen them that would satisfy all people. Because it is such a personal issue, I fully expect that I need to sharpen a new knife the way I want it, just as I fully expect I need to installs the apps I want and configure a new phone before I can use it. > I could have saved money and just bought a steel rod and made my own knife out of it. This is just hyperbole. > There is zero reason a brand new product needs immediate maintenance before it can be used. And yet many products are like that. For example DSLR cameras come without SD/CF cards. The user has to buy them and put them in the camera before he can use it.
  - RobertKerans 9y ago
    That read as a satire of a hacker news response. It's a relatively expensive knife, it's not unreasonable to expect it to arrive with a sharp edge.
    - 4ad 9y ago
      No offense, but it's a very cheap knife. Not saying at all you need or you might even want expensive knives, in fact yesterday I made a post on reddit about some very good cheap knives: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/6pet6k/cooks_whats_your_unpopular_opinion/dkpgk9y https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/6pet6k/cooks_whats.... However, that price point is the bottom of the bottom of the lowest end when it comes to knives and should be reviewed as such.
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by 4ad 9y ago

ithkuil 9y ago

If it was a ceramic knife, would it still make sense for a customer to figure out how to sharpen one of those?

4ad 9y ago
No, I would expect a ceramic knife to be sharp and I would expect it to remain sharp throughout its life.
- blacksmith_tb 9y ago
  Unfortunately that's not possible, ceramic knives dull differently (the accumulate lots of tiny nicks or chips along the edge), but you can certainly sharpen them on a diamond stone, or with a dedicated sharpener, or in some cases send them back to the manufacturer[1]. 1: http://www.kyoceraknife.com/how-to-sharpen-ceramic-knives.html http://www.kyoceraknife.com/how-to-sharpen-ceramic-knives.ht...

freehunter 9y ago

>What next, buy a new car and complain it didn't come with the tank full? Yes. You should complain if you buy a new car and it doesn't come with a full tank of gas, or needs new tires, or needs an oil change right from the dealership. Those are things you expect from a new car, and they're the reasons you buy a new car. If I bought a used knife, I'd expect to sharpen it. If I buy a brand new knife, I expect it to be sharp right from the factory. If it's not, I could have saved money and just bought a steel rod and made my own knife out of it. A knife has one purpose: to be sharp. If it's not, it's not a knife. It's a cheap hunk of thin steel that they told you was a knife. There is zero reason a brand new product needs immediate maintenance before it can be used.

4ad 9y ago
> Those are things you expect from a new car, and they're the reasons you buy a new car. Those are thing you expect from a new car, and they most certainly are not the reason I would buy a new car. > If I buy a brand new knife, I expect it to be sharp right from the factory. You might expect that, but the practical reality is that knives don't really come truly pre-sharpened, and there are many reasons for that. People don't realise that this is the case, because most people, in general, have really, really dull knives, so even a mediocre edge will seem comparatively sharp. But it isn't, it's just mediocre and once you have used a really sharp knife the difference becomes very apparent. There isn't one way to sharpen a knife. Some people prefer an asymmetric edge, some people hate asymmetric edges. Some people prefer shallow angles, some people prefer steep angles. Some people prefer knives sharped for slashing, some people prefer knives sharpened for slicing. There is no right way to sharpen a knife, it is something extremely user-specific and personal and there cannot be a way to pre-sharpen them that would satisfy all people. Because it is such a personal issue, I fully expect that I need to sharpen a new knife the way I want it, just as I fully expect I need to installs the apps I want and configure a new phone before I can use it. > I could have saved money and just bought a steel rod and made my own knife out of it. This is just hyperbole. > There is zero reason a brand new product needs immediate maintenance before it can be used. And yet many products are like that. For example DSLR cameras come without SD/CF cards. The user has to buy them and put them in the camera before he can use it.
- RobertKerans 9y ago
  That read as a satire of a hacker news response. It's a relatively expensive knife, it's not unreasonable to expect it to arrive with a sharp edge.
  - 4ad 9y ago
    No offense, but it's a very cheap knife. Not saying at all you need or you might even want expensive knives, in fact yesterday I made a post on reddit about some very good cheap knives: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/6pet6k/cooks_whats_your_unpopular_opinion/dkpgk9y https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/6pet6k/cooks_whats.... However, that price point is the bottom of the bottom of the lowest end when it comes to knives and should be reviewed as such.

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