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There's no point in debating the moral issues when our world is anything but. It's like condemning engineers for enabling governments and corporations to spy on

There's no point in debating the moral issues when our world is anything but. It's like condemning engineers for enabling governments and corporations to spy on us and constantly erode our privacy. In this particular situation the interaction was between me and the seller. Reviews are written, edited, removed by a person that owes nothing to other potential customers.

provost 9y ago
> by a person that owes nothing to other potential customers Yet you feel jaded by the other reviewers. You don't owe me anything, but I would encourage you to go back and leave a negative review if the product isn't worth the price. I'm in the market for a cooking knife and would appreciate good reviews. Thanks.
- Super_Jambo 9y ago
  Just buy a thin bladed one from ikea along with a ceramic roller sharpener. Don't use it on frozen stuff. If money is no object get a global along with the global specific ceramic roller sharpener. Yes there are better things out there but for the cost Ikea is very good.
  - brreakdown 9y ago
    Again.. Amazon is like eBay on crack .. you can and will come across quality - you will - and when you do - you'll be that much more apt to go back for more - no??
- dkrich 9y ago
  If you just need a small set, I highly recommend the Wusthof Studio set. I got mine for under $100 and they work really well.
ajnin 9y ago
Seems contradictory to buy a low quality item based on unfair reviews, complain about that fact, then go on saying that reviewers owe nothing to anyone. They obviously owe a modicum of honesty and objectivity to other potential buyers. Why would you leave a review if not to inform other buyers ?
- neverminder 9y ago
  Well in this case I left a review because the seller was hassling me for one. Personally I have little trust in reviews. By the way, I wasn't complaining in my original post, just stating facts.
  - xiaoma 9y ago
    I would have just updated my review with the relevant info that they gave you a free replacement and then followed up by asking you to remove your review.
- afterburner 9y ago
  The other reason for a review is to complain to the seller. And it worked beautifully, he got his money back, and the seller lost money.
  - ithkuil 9y ago
    I wonder if perhaps, just perhaps, it was indeed a faulty item
crawshaw 9y ago
We do owe those around us. We are a society built on good will. The kindness of others has given me everything I value in life. It is my responsibility to pay into it. Sometimes we cannot afford to. That is fine. A lifetime of good deeds covers moments of necessary selfishness. If this was one such moment for you, don't feel bad about it. But if you could afford to take the time and wealth to make the world better, do.
notheguyouthink 9y ago
> It's like condemning engineers for enabling governments and corporations to spy on us and constantly erode our privacy. I don't agree with your actions, but I definitely agree with your statement. It's like judging people for paying less taxes via loopholes, yet it's perfectly legal. We focus on judging the action, rather than fixing the problem. In this case, judging you for using a broken system, akin to tax loopholes, may not be "good" - but it's certainly not the root of the problem. Judging you would, at best, just cause one more "victim" (for lack of a better word), and completely ignore the root cause. We as a nation need to - at the very least - focus equally on the root cause as much as those doing something we don't like. In this case, the company and/or Amazon are far more meaningful and fruitful subjects to lay blame on. Forcing one person to keep an item is not going to fix anything but ensure they have a wasted money, and have 1 bad review in a likely sea of reviews. A possibly insignificant digit. Yet, if the company is accurately called out, if Amazon are accurately called out, we may see real change. I assume we blame you because it's easy. "Don't dodge taxes!" we scream. Yet, it's our laziness that enables tax dodgers due to ultimately ignoring and not fixing the root problems.
- rifung 9y ago
  > In this case, judging you for using a broken system, akin to tax loopholes, may not be "good" - but it's certainly not the root of the problem Wouldn't the greed of man be the true root of the problem? It just so happens that we can't actually fix it in a practical manner so the next best thing we can do is to be make it so it's difficult to take advantage of others.
  - notheguyouthink 9y ago
    > It just so happens that we can't actually fix it in a practical manner so the next best thing we can do is to be make it so it's difficult to take advantage of others. I mean, I think we can. In the case of tax loopholes, they should be plugged. The corruption in politics that created, and also support the loopholes, should be prosecuted. The list goes on and on. Sure, you are correct, the "greed of man" is to blame - but my point is systems shouldn't be set up where greedy people can freely exploit, and good people exist solely to be taken advantage of. Systems, laws and limitations should exist to mitigate the damage done by greedy individuals as best possible. The water in the boat may be a pressing concern, but it'll just keep coming back if our main focus is to just bucket the water out of the boat. It needs to be a combined focus, or we only delay eventually being overtaken completely. Theft is a crime, and laws exist to punish the bad actors. Yet, we still have locks on doors to mitigate who can steal from us.
pc86 9y ago
Why not just leave the honest review up?
copperred 9y ago
> There's no point in debating the moral issues when our world is anything but. Some people have not given up on having a moral society and believe that there is great benefit in debating the issues. Because you are not open to debate doesn't mean the debate has no value, but I appreciate your perspective.

provost 9y ago

> by a person that owes nothing to other potential customers Yet you feel jaded by the other reviewers. You don't owe me anything, but I would encourage you to go back and leave a negative review if the product isn't worth the price. I'm in the market for a cooking knife and would appreciate good reviews. Thanks.

Super_Jambo 9y ago
Just buy a thin bladed one from ikea along with a ceramic roller sharpener. Don't use it on frozen stuff. If money is no object get a global along with the global specific ceramic roller sharpener. Yes there are better things out there but for the cost Ikea is very good.
- brreakdown 9y ago
  Again.. Amazon is like eBay on crack .. you can and will come across quality - you will - and when you do - you'll be that much more apt to go back for more - no??
dkrich 9y ago
If you just need a small set, I highly recommend the Wusthof Studio set. I got mine for under $100 and they work really well.

ajnin 9y ago

Seems contradictory to buy a low quality item based on unfair reviews, complain about that fact, then go on saying that reviewers owe nothing to anyone. They obviously owe a modicum of honesty and objectivity to other potential buyers. Why would you leave a review if not to inform other buyers ?

neverminder 9y ago
Well in this case I left a review because the seller was hassling me for one. Personally I have little trust in reviews. By the way, I wasn't complaining in my original post, just stating facts.
- xiaoma 9y ago
  I would have just updated my review with the relevant info that they gave you a free replacement and then followed up by asking you to remove your review.
afterburner 9y ago
The other reason for a review is to complain to the seller. And it worked beautifully, he got his money back, and the seller lost money.
- ithkuil 9y ago
  I wonder if perhaps, just perhaps, it was indeed a faulty item

crawshaw 9y ago

We do owe those around us. We are a society built on good will. The kindness of others has given me everything I value in life. It is my responsibility to pay into it. Sometimes we cannot afford to. That is fine. A lifetime of good deeds covers moments of necessary selfishness. If this was one such moment for you, don't feel bad about it. But if you could afford to take the time and wealth to make the world better, do.

notheguyouthink 9y ago

> It's like condemning engineers for enabling governments and corporations to spy on us and constantly erode our privacy. I don't agree with your actions, but I definitely agree with your statement. It's like judging people for paying less taxes via loopholes, yet it's perfectly legal. We focus on judging the action, rather than fixing the problem. In this case, judging you for using a broken system, akin to tax loopholes, may not be "good" - but it's certainly not the root of the problem. Judging you would, at best, just cause one more "victim" (for lack of a better word), and completely ignore the root cause. We as a nation need to - at the very least - focus equally on the root cause as much as those doing something we don't like. In this case, the company and/or Amazon are far more meaningful and fruitful subjects to lay blame on. Forcing one person to keep an item is not going to fix anything but ensure they have a wasted money, and have 1 bad review in a likely sea of reviews. A possibly insignificant digit. Yet, if the company is accurately called out, if Amazon are accurately called out, we may see real change. I assume we blame you because it's easy. "Don't dodge taxes!" we scream. Yet, it's our laziness that enables tax dodgers due to ultimately ignoring and not fixing the root problems.

rifung 9y ago
> In this case, judging you for using a broken system, akin to tax loopholes, may not be "good" - but it's certainly not the root of the problem Wouldn't the greed of man be the true root of the problem? It just so happens that we can't actually fix it in a practical manner so the next best thing we can do is to be make it so it's difficult to take advantage of others.
- notheguyouthink 9y ago
  > It just so happens that we can't actually fix it in a practical manner so the next best thing we can do is to be make it so it's difficult to take advantage of others. I mean, I think we can. In the case of tax loopholes, they should be plugged. The corruption in politics that created, and also support the loopholes, should be prosecuted. The list goes on and on. Sure, you are correct, the "greed of man" is to blame - but my point is systems shouldn't be set up where greedy people can freely exploit, and good people exist solely to be taken advantage of. Systems, laws and limitations should exist to mitigate the damage done by greedy individuals as best possible. The water in the boat may be a pressing concern, but it'll just keep coming back if our main focus is to just bucket the water out of the boat. It needs to be a combined focus, or we only delay eventually being overtaken completely. Theft is a crime, and laws exist to punish the bad actors. Yet, we still have locks on doors to mitigate who can steal from us.

pc86 9y ago

Why not just leave the honest review up?

copperred 9y ago

> There's no point in debating the moral issues when our world is anything but. Some people have not given up on having a moral society and believe that there is great benefit in debating the issues. Because you are not open to debate doesn't mean the debate has no value, but I appreciate your perspective.