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> HN is the same way when it relates to political news (i.e. liberal, one-sided, pretty much echo-chamber) HN is one of those places where everyone thinks that

by vacri 9y ago

> HN is the same way when it relates to political news (i.e. liberal, one-sided, pretty much echo-chamber) HN is one of those places where everyone thinks that there are plenty of "the other side" here. There are plenty of fiscal and social conservatives on this site. Probably the only sector of the conservative world that isn't well-represented here are war hawks.

komali2 9y ago
I dunno, what about super nationalist white supremacists? Don't really find them here either.
- banned1 9y ago
  Why would they not be here? They are here just like "SJWs" are here. Does technology, or this website, somehow imply a barrier to any group to join it in conversation? I would say that you will find each and all interests groups represented to some extent here. Just because you don't hear them here does not mean they are not here. They may just choose to keep their views quiet here because it is well known that the HN community at large would rather kick them out than engage in discourse. We know the HN community, because it's highly San Francisco-centric, are highly sensitive and establishes that this forum be a safe space
- morgante 9y ago
  They're definitely here. I've had HN users insist that I, as a Jew, should be deported to Israel.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I'd second this. There was recently a long thread concerning Reddit and r/the_donald and those ranks certainly showed up. You can catch a few in this thread.
- axaxs 9y ago
  They exist, and you don't know it. Just as a middle easterner who wants death to gay people, a gay christian fundamentalist, and a black kkk member. Yes, I jest. Sorta. That's what I love about HN, typically. It has a very diverse community that typically leaves religion and politics at the door. And even if we all met, we may kill each other, we get along here in the sake of tech and interesting sciences.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    > It has a very diverse community that typically leaves religion and politics at the door. The fact that it leaves religion at the door means it's not as inclusive as it thinks it is. Just because a discussion contains a religious component doesn't mean it's argumentative or something. > ...we get along here in the sake of tech and interesting sciences. Honestly, the earnest religious are a minority in this kind of context. They're explicitly encouraged to keep that part of them closeted in this context (and, frankly, most other contexts too). I think "we get along" isn't exactly accurate with that in mind. People are, on a small scale, afraid of religious people. Especially "unrelated, unnecessary" controversy spawning from religious points of view. I could say that the growth is fear correlates (as described in the article) with decreased engagement in organized religion. How would that go over? Would people appreciate a new kind of thought and a new diverse perspective? Or would they groan and roll their eyes?
    - axaxs 9y ago
      I don't agree completely. Being inclusive doesn't require or include tolerance and catering to identity politics. If the site became that way, I'd leave in a heartbeat. In fact, if I know your sexual preference, religion, or political slant here - I already know more than I want to know about you, even if they align with me. And I mean here, on HN, not in real life relations of course. There are many religious people here. I won't name names, though I do remember them. Mostly proud Christians, as identified by their bios and or websites.
    - vacri 9y ago
      Religious people tend to keep their heads down in STEM communities anyway, because if they make too much noise, they'll be asked to provide evidence, which is antithetical to the very premise of religions. It's a STEM-community thing, not an HN thing. > I could say that the growth is fear correlates (as described in the article) with decreased engagement in organized religion. How would that go over? Would people appreciate a new kind of thought and a new diverse perspective? Or would they groan and roll their eyes? Well, you're begging the question there by framing that concept as 'new diverse perspective'. It's not that at all, but a tired, conservative perspective. The idea that people have lost their way because they've lost their faith and are now suffering for it is not even remotely new or diverse. So you would get groans and eye-rolls, which you would interpret as being against 'new, diverse', but which was actually against beating a tired old nag.
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komali2 9y ago

I dunno, what about super nationalist white supremacists? Don't really find them here either.

banned1 9y ago
Why would they not be here? They are here just like "SJWs" are here. Does technology, or this website, somehow imply a barrier to any group to join it in conversation? I would say that you will find each and all interests groups represented to some extent here. Just because you don't hear them here does not mean they are not here. They may just choose to keep their views quiet here because it is well known that the HN community at large would rather kick them out than engage in discourse. We know the HN community, because it's highly San Francisco-centric, are highly sensitive and establishes that this forum be a safe space
morgante 9y ago
They're definitely here. I've had HN users insist that I, as a Jew, should be deported to Israel.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  I'd second this. There was recently a long thread concerning Reddit and r/the_donald and those ranks certainly showed up. You can catch a few in this thread.
axaxs 9y ago
They exist, and you don't know it. Just as a middle easterner who wants death to gay people, a gay christian fundamentalist, and a black kkk member. Yes, I jest. Sorta. That's what I love about HN, typically. It has a very diverse community that typically leaves religion and politics at the door. And even if we all met, we may kill each other, we get along here in the sake of tech and interesting sciences.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  > It has a very diverse community that typically leaves religion and politics at the door. The fact that it leaves religion at the door means it's not as inclusive as it thinks it is. Just because a discussion contains a religious component doesn't mean it's argumentative or something. > ...we get along here in the sake of tech and interesting sciences. Honestly, the earnest religious are a minority in this kind of context. They're explicitly encouraged to keep that part of them closeted in this context (and, frankly, most other contexts too). I think "we get along" isn't exactly accurate with that in mind. People are, on a small scale, afraid of religious people. Especially "unrelated, unnecessary" controversy spawning from religious points of view. I could say that the growth is fear correlates (as described in the article) with decreased engagement in organized religion. How would that go over? Would people appreciate a new kind of thought and a new diverse perspective? Or would they groan and roll their eyes?
  - axaxs 9y ago
    I don't agree completely. Being inclusive doesn't require or include tolerance and catering to identity politics. If the site became that way, I'd leave in a heartbeat. In fact, if I know your sexual preference, religion, or political slant here - I already know more than I want to know about you, even if they align with me. And I mean here, on HN, not in real life relations of course. There are many religious people here. I won't name names, though I do remember them. Mostly proud Christians, as identified by their bios and or websites.
  - vacri 9y ago
    Religious people tend to keep their heads down in STEM communities anyway, because if they make too much noise, they'll be asked to provide evidence, which is antithetical to the very premise of religions. It's a STEM-community thing, not an HN thing. > I could say that the growth is fear correlates (as described in the article) with decreased engagement in organized religion. How would that go over? Would people appreciate a new kind of thought and a new diverse perspective? Or would they groan and roll their eyes? Well, you're begging the question there by framing that concept as 'new diverse perspective'. It's not that at all, but a tired, conservative perspective. The idea that people have lost their way because they've lost their faith and are now suffering for it is not even remotely new or diverse. So you would get groans and eye-rolls, which you would interpret as being against 'new, diverse', but which was actually against beating a tired old nag.
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