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https://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/kolourpaint/ https://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/kolourpaint/

AdmiralAsshat 9y ago
Thanks, I'll give it a look. I'm a little hesitant about grabbing a KDE app on my Cinnamon desktop, as it will inevitably result in pulling down like 50 KDE libraries. But we'll see.
- keithpeter 9y ago
  perhaps use apt-get kolourpaint --no-install-recommends or similar? Warning: I have not tried this, but it might cut down the KDE library count (e.g. just why does Krita need a phonon back end dependency?)
smcl 9y ago
I think a few people (some non-KDE users) have an aversion to KDE/Qt tools and avoid them where possible. Certainly it was enough of a pain for me to get consistent look-and-feel across all my applications that I gave up and decided not to use Qt if I could avoid it.
- the_common_man 9y ago
  I have found kde tools have much more functionality. Gtk based tools generally do a free things and do them well.
- sangnoir 9y ago
  > I think a few people (some non-KDE users) have an aversion to KDE/Qt tools and avoid them where possible. Why would you have an aversion to Kolourpaint but not to a Linux port of MS Paint? That does not make sense in the context of this thread - unless your comment was a non-sequitur. Edit: After rereading, I have realized the root of the thread can be interpreted in other ways than what I got - I felt AdmiralAsshat's main thrust was they'd have wanted a Linux port of MS Paint.
- emilsedgh 9y ago
  I don't get it. On windows each app has a completely different look and feel and guidelines and people are fine with it. But on Linux we have 2 and people are complaining. Btw, GTK+ apps look very close to Qt apps on KDE as KDE's Breeze engine has a GTK+ version. Additionally, an open source windows paint (that parent comment asked for) will not look consistent go GTK+ apps as well.
  - cobalt 9y ago
    well people do complain, but i think the point is that windows has one UI framework (win32/user32) and (most) everyone uses that. It provides all of the primitives and norms that people expect
    - Joeri 9y ago
      Do you actually use windows? That's not my experience at all. The difference between even just the stuff windows ships with is staggering. Just compare control panel to settings app, they look like they belong to different OS's, and you have to use both to access all configuration.
      - buzzybee 9y ago
        IME real users don't care about the app being aesthetically different, but they do care if the common idioms have changed(e.g. position of OK/Cancel). That shouldn't depend on your toolkit, though.
    - sqeaky 9y ago
      There are like 50 different toolkits... I exagerate, but: win32 GDI, windows.forms, MFCs, ATL and that is just from microsoft off the top of my head. There are way more when you start looking at all the solutions that a typical user might actually have running on their machine.
      - slededit 9y ago
        MFC, ATL, and the .NET stuff with the exception of XAML all use win32 controls under the hood. XAML still uses user32 albeit not the control toolkit. Because everything shares the same common core things work together better than on Linux.

Thanks, I'll give it a look. I'm a little hesitant about grabbing a KDE app on my Cinnamon desktop, as it will inevitably result in pulling down like 50 KDE libraries. But we'll see.

keithpeter 9y ago
perhaps use apt-get kolourpaint --no-install-recommends or similar? Warning: I have not tried this, but it might cut down the KDE library count (e.g. just why does Krita need a phonon back end dependency?)

smcl 9y ago

I think a few people (some non-KDE users) have an aversion to KDE/Qt tools and avoid them where possible. Certainly it was enough of a pain for me to get consistent look-and-feel across all my applications that I gave up and decided not to use Qt if I could avoid it.

the_common_man 9y ago
I have found kde tools have much more functionality. Gtk based tools generally do a free things and do them well.
sangnoir 9y ago
> I think a few people (some non-KDE users) have an aversion to KDE/Qt tools and avoid them where possible. Why would you have an aversion to Kolourpaint but not to a Linux port of MS Paint? That does not make sense in the context of this thread - unless your comment was a non-sequitur. Edit: After rereading, I have realized the root of the thread can be interpreted in other ways than what I got - I felt AdmiralAsshat's main thrust was they'd have wanted a Linux port of MS Paint.
emilsedgh 9y ago
I don't get it. On windows each app has a completely different look and feel and guidelines and people are fine with it. But on Linux we have 2 and people are complaining. Btw, GTK+ apps look very close to Qt apps on KDE as KDE's Breeze engine has a GTK+ version. Additionally, an open source windows paint (that parent comment asked for) will not look consistent go GTK+ apps as well.
- cobalt 9y ago
  well people do complain, but i think the point is that windows has one UI framework (win32/user32) and (most) everyone uses that. It provides all of the primitives and norms that people expect
  - Joeri 9y ago
    Do you actually use windows? That's not my experience at all. The difference between even just the stuff windows ships with is staggering. Just compare control panel to settings app, they look like they belong to different OS's, and you have to use both to access all configuration.
    - buzzybee 9y ago
      IME real users don't care about the app being aesthetically different, but they do care if the common idioms have changed(e.g. position of OK/Cancel). That shouldn't depend on your toolkit, though.
  - sqeaky 9y ago
    There are like 50 different toolkits... I exagerate, but: win32 GDI, windows.forms, MFCs, ATL and that is just from microsoft off the top of my head. There are way more when you start looking at all the solutions that a typical user might actually have running on their machine.
    - slededit 9y ago
      MFC, ATL, and the .NET stuff with the exception of XAML all use win32 controls under the hood. XAML still uses user32 albeit not the control toolkit. Because everything shares the same common core things work together better than on Linux.