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I don't understand, what point are you making? Your solution is pull yourself up by your bootstraps?

kesselvon 9y ago
"have the poor considered making more money?"
mc32 9y ago
No, but you cannot in good conscience believe that you can raise a middle class family if that's your one skill. We also have people complaining about vanishing steel jobs, listen, they're not coming back and you are going to have to adjust.
- Applejinx 9y ago
  Have you considered there is no possible skill that will establish a societal middle class for the population, no matter what effort or resources are put behind it? In less than ten years you'll be talking about vanishing coding jobs, and the word is they're not coming back. What then? There is nothing we can't optimize to require less human labor. There is no possible skill that will translate to 'humans as a class' remaining relevant to productivity and a labor pool that's increasingly nonhuman. It's like expecting people to hammer in railroad ties, or dig through rock with pickaxes. Absurd, unreasonable, insane. I quite agree with 'adjust', but I'm shocked by the idea that 'acquiring skills' is your notion of the standard to apply to all humans. There is no skill or skills that will do what you think is going to happen. All that will happen is, desperate people will obliterate the labor value of coding and thinking, during the final phase of human-centric thinking as a type of labor.
- celim307 9y ago
  I can in good conscience believe he shouldn't have to borrow money simply to see a dentist. I'm not clamoring to say they deserve a nice car or go to Disney world, but surely you can agree that every citizen in this country deserves a basic right to basic health care and education, and the means to achieve them?
mc32 9y ago
Basic message is don't expect much from an entry level job. You can't make a living from them even in developing countries, much less in developed countries.

"have the poor considered making more money?"

mc32 9y ago

No, but you cannot in good conscience believe that you can raise a middle class family if that's your one skill. We also have people complaining about vanishing steel jobs, listen, they're not coming back and you are going to have to adjust.

Applejinx 9y ago
Have you considered there is no possible skill that will establish a societal middle class for the population, no matter what effort or resources are put behind it? In less than ten years you'll be talking about vanishing coding jobs, and the word is they're not coming back. What then? There is nothing we can't optimize to require less human labor. There is no possible skill that will translate to 'humans as a class' remaining relevant to productivity and a labor pool that's increasingly nonhuman. It's like expecting people to hammer in railroad ties, or dig through rock with pickaxes. Absurd, unreasonable, insane. I quite agree with 'adjust', but I'm shocked by the idea that 'acquiring skills' is your notion of the standard to apply to all humans. There is no skill or skills that will do what you think is going to happen. All that will happen is, desperate people will obliterate the labor value of coding and thinking, during the final phase of human-centric thinking as a type of labor.
celim307 9y ago
I can in good conscience believe he shouldn't have to borrow money simply to see a dentist. I'm not clamoring to say they deserve a nice car or go to Disney world, but surely you can agree that every citizen in this country deserves a basic right to basic health care and education, and the means to achieve them?

mc32 9y ago

Basic message is don't expect much from an entry level job. You can't make a living from them even in developing countries, much less in developed countries.