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It's free speech whether you like it or not and I don't think your tactics of playing hardball with Eich or any other skeptic of gay rights would win him over t

It's free speech whether you like it or not and I don't think your tactics of playing hardball with Eich or any other skeptic of gay rights would win him over to your cause as it foments feelings of resentment and discontent and likely lead to counter-productive results.

coldpie 9y ago
> It's free speech whether you like it or not Hmm, is it free speech to use the threat of violence to enforce your personal religious views on others? I'm not convinced.
- gotchange 9y ago
  Did he call for violence against homosexuals or this is just a strawman? I must admit that I am not well acquainted with all the facts of this controversy, just the basics and I don't recall him calling for violence.
  - coldpie 9y ago
    The government enforces the law through the threat of violence.
  - BrendanEich 9y ago
    Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14136832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14136832
- JBReefer 9y ago
  This is a very low effort flame bait attempt, and HN is not the place for flamewars.
  - coldpie 9y ago
    I disagree that it's flamebait, but I do think this is all off-topic. But I just can't keep my dumb mouth shut when someone says that enforcing one's private religious views on others via the government is just fine.
    - mythrwy 9y ago
      A persons private religious views is no reason for a professional witch hunt. That is well beyond the pale of acceptable, and so is your comment. There's no reason to turn this into a less reasonable version of a McCarthy type inquisition. Once we start up with that nonsense it doesn't lead to a good place. No matter how strongly you feel you are right.
      - coldpie 9y ago
        To which "professional witch hunt" are you referring? Are "private religious views" still private when you are using the government to enforce them on others? Is a CEO who spends considerable sums of his own money to do harm to his own employees for no benefit fit to remain CEO? Are users not allowed to demand good behavior from the companies they support?
        mythrwy 9y ago
        No. Users are not allowed to dictate private religious views to people who work for companies. That's unreasonable. Boycotting a company because you don't like the political views of one of it's employees on the other hand is just silly. What exactly is your issue with separating personal and professional life? Do you feel you should be professionally attacked or your company boycotted because you (presumably) support gay marriage and some people feel that's wrong? No, of course you shouldn't. You should have a right to vote, support, do whatever in this regard and it shouldn't affect you professionally. Look, I personally support gay marriage. But this kind of behavior on the part of the "crusaders" is outrageous. It really is.
        coldpie 9y ago
        I think it's legitimately a fascinating discussion point! Thank you for engaging me on it instead of freaking out. While we disagree, I do understand where you're coming from. Again, the issue was not his "private religious views." The issue was when he used his power and influence to enforce those views on other people who did not subscribe to them. The line is crossed when one tries to enforce their personal beliefs on others via the government. It's not about politics--I think there are many things in politics about which reasonable people can disagree--it's specifically about enforcing a religious viewpoint on other people through the government. I don't force my religion on others; I think it's reasonable to demand that others do the same, and to enforce that demand through the means available to me, which may well include a boycott.
matt4077 9y ago
But that's the exact same situation, right? Kite's business model is just as legal as Eich's free speech money. But people still think it's wrong, and so they try to find ways to discourage others to act similarly. I'm not completely sure if such punishment works, but I'm pretty sure that if it works for Each, it will work for Kite, and vice versa.
- mythrwy 9y ago
  It's not the same thing. Kite's business model is attack against open source, thus pertinent to tech. Eich's view on marriage is completely unrelated and attacks on his professional career for this are abhorrent and juvenile and should be condemned rather than encouraged. Even if you disagree with Eich's stance (which for the record I do).
s73ver 9y ago
"It's free speech whether you like it or not" So was the people calling for him to resign.

coldpie 9y ago

> It's free speech whether you like it or not Hmm, is it free speech to use the threat of violence to enforce your personal religious views on others? I'm not convinced.

gotchange 9y ago
Did he call for violence against homosexuals or this is just a strawman? I must admit that I am not well acquainted with all the facts of this controversy, just the basics and I don't recall him calling for violence.
- coldpie 9y ago
  The government enforces the law through the threat of violence.
- BrendanEich 9y ago
  Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14136832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14136832
JBReefer 9y ago
This is a very low effort flame bait attempt, and HN is not the place for flamewars.
- coldpie 9y ago
  I disagree that it's flamebait, but I do think this is all off-topic. But I just can't keep my dumb mouth shut when someone says that enforcing one's private religious views on others via the government is just fine.
  - mythrwy 9y ago
    A persons private religious views is no reason for a professional witch hunt. That is well beyond the pale of acceptable, and so is your comment. There's no reason to turn this into a less reasonable version of a McCarthy type inquisition. Once we start up with that nonsense it doesn't lead to a good place. No matter how strongly you feel you are right.
    - coldpie 9y ago
      To which "professional witch hunt" are you referring? Are "private religious views" still private when you are using the government to enforce them on others? Is a CEO who spends considerable sums of his own money to do harm to his own employees for no benefit fit to remain CEO? Are users not allowed to demand good behavior from the companies they support?
      - mythrwy 9y ago
        No. Users are not allowed to dictate private religious views to people who work for companies. That's unreasonable. Boycotting a company because you don't like the political views of one of it's employees on the other hand is just silly. What exactly is your issue with separating personal and professional life? Do you feel you should be professionally attacked or your company boycotted because you (presumably) support gay marriage and some people feel that's wrong? No, of course you shouldn't. You should have a right to vote, support, do whatever in this regard and it shouldn't affect you professionally. Look, I personally support gay marriage. But this kind of behavior on the part of the "crusaders" is outrageous. It really is.
        coldpie 9y ago
        I think it's legitimately a fascinating discussion point! Thank you for engaging me on it instead of freaking out. While we disagree, I do understand where you're coming from. Again, the issue was not his "private religious views." The issue was when he used his power and influence to enforce those views on other people who did not subscribe to them. The line is crossed when one tries to enforce their personal beliefs on others via the government. It's not about politics--I think there are many things in politics about which reasonable people can disagree--it's specifically about enforcing a religious viewpoint on other people through the government. I don't force my religion on others; I think it's reasonable to demand that others do the same, and to enforce that demand through the means available to me, which may well include a boycott.

matt4077 9y ago

But that's the exact same situation, right? Kite's business model is just as legal as Eich's free speech money. But people still think it's wrong, and so they try to find ways to discourage others to act similarly. I'm not completely sure if such punishment works, but I'm pretty sure that if it works for Each, it will work for Kite, and vice versa.

mythrwy 9y ago
It's not the same thing. Kite's business model is attack against open source, thus pertinent to tech. Eich's view on marriage is completely unrelated and attacks on his professional career for this are abhorrent and juvenile and should be condemned rather than encouraged. Even if you disagree with Eich's stance (which for the record I do).

s73ver 9y ago

"It's free speech whether you like it or not" So was the people calling for him to resign.