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Indeed. I lean towards Libertarianism for most things, i.e. deregulation, but many regulations were put in place for a very good reason. A lot of Libertarians t

Indeed. I lean towards Libertarianism for most things, i.e. deregulation, but many regulations were put in place for a very good reason. A lot of Libertarians that I talk to though usually argue for the ability to opt-out of whatever system, which IMHO is perfectly fine. If you don't pay for the firefighters though, you don't get to be angry when they don't put your house out type of thing.

coldpie 9y ago
If your decisions affected nobody but yourself, sure. But you suddenly being bankrupt puts a much larger cost on society than the strain of you having to pay for firefighters. Further, if everyone thought like that and we had too little money to pay for firefighters at all... Edit: In other words, don't think of it as protecting you from your own bankruptcy; think of it as society protecting itself from your bankruptcy.
hello_marmalade 9y ago
Here's why that's stupid: a nation is not build so simply. There are places where having firefighters would not be economically viable. Does that mean that the people in those areas don't deserve firefighters? Libertarianism is a nice idea, but it needs to be balanced out with some compassion. You pay into something that you might never use, because someone else might need it, and they do the same for you elsewhere. Libertarian socialism is where it's at.
- FussyZeus 9y ago
  > Here's why that's stupid: a nation is not build so simply. There are places where having firefighters would not be economically viable. Does that mean that the people in those areas don't deserve firefighters? When on Earth did I say anything like that? First of all I was implying opting out of the taxes for whatever community, not paying for fire fighters directly. Also, it's worth pointing out that in many rural communities (and more prominently, the area between them) paying for fire fighting service is not uncommon precisely because it's not viable for the communities in the nearby area to cover them as well without being compensated. But besides all of that: > Libertarianism is a nice idea, but it needs to be balanced out with some compassion. You pay into something that you might never use, because someone else might need it, and they do the same for you elsewhere. I completely agree, this is what I was attempting to get at.

coldpie 9y ago

If your decisions affected nobody but yourself, sure. But you suddenly being bankrupt puts a much larger cost on society than the strain of you having to pay for firefighters. Further, if everyone thought like that and we had too little money to pay for firefighters at all... Edit: In other words, don't think of it as protecting you from your own bankruptcy; think of it as society protecting itself from your bankruptcy.

hello_marmalade 9y ago

Here's why that's stupid: a nation is not build so simply. There are places where having firefighters would not be economically viable. Does that mean that the people in those areas don't deserve firefighters? Libertarianism is a nice idea, but it needs to be balanced out with some compassion. You pay into something that you might never use, because someone else might need it, and they do the same for you elsewhere. Libertarian socialism is where it's at.

FussyZeus 9y ago
> Here's why that's stupid: a nation is not build so simply. There are places where having firefighters would not be economically viable. Does that mean that the people in those areas don't deserve firefighters? When on Earth did I say anything like that? First of all I was implying opting out of the taxes for whatever community, not paying for fire fighters directly. Also, it's worth pointing out that in many rural communities (and more prominently, the area between them) paying for fire fighting service is not uncommon precisely because it's not viable for the communities in the nearby area to cover them as well without being compensated. But besides all of that: > Libertarianism is a nice idea, but it needs to be balanced out with some compassion. You pay into something that you might never use, because someone else might need it, and they do the same for you elsewhere. I completely agree, this is what I was attempting to get at.