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If only we'd had similar capsules on transcontinental flights — now, that would be something. Otherwise, it is just a bus serving two points, no more exciting t

If only we'd had similar capsules on transcontinental flights — now, that would be something. Otherwise, it is just a bus serving two points, no more exciting than a sleeping car in a train. Properly sleeping on a flight, on the other hand, feels like luxury.

toomanybeersies 9y ago
They do, if you fly first class. You just have to spend several thousand dollars on a ticket. Air New Zealand also offers skycouch (https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/economy-skycouch https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/economy-skycouch), which is similar and cheaper, but really is only worth it if you're traveling with your partner or someone else you feel comfortable spooning for an entire flight.
- atemerev 9y ago
  Capsules are arranged differently — they can be stacked together vertically, and probably be offered at least for the price of business class seats. (If the weight is a great concern, and it is, and capsules are too heavy — hammocks can also be an option).
  - majewsky 9y ago
    > hammocks Hammocks with seatbelts!?
    - gargravarr 9y ago
      If they're anchored correctly, you'd probably be quite safe in a hammock during an emergency landing, in a relative sense - being suspended would absorb a lot of the energy. But agreed, it does seem pretty silly and probably wouldn't feel very safe!!
    - atemerev 9y ago
      Why not? And hammocks themselves can be anchored with teared energy absorber like used in via ferrata mountain climbing — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata#Energy_absorber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata#Energy_absorber . This will make the construction much safer than a single two-point seatbelt. Going to the restroom might prove to be somewhat challenging, though...
  - gargravarr 9y ago
    I've thought about exactly this. Take a cue from Japanese honeycomb hotels and stack them three high in the place of the current seats - you could get equivalent passenger numbers on the plane, while giving people a safe way to stretch out on a long flight. Correctly designed, they would be safe, possibly safer than seats, during an emergency landing, although I can see getting out in a hurry being a major setback for implementation.
    - throwanem 9y ago
      You're describing something not wholly unakin to sleeping racks aboard a naval vessel, although no doubt much more comfortable. They are more space-efficient than beds, but less so than seats. In order to stack hammocks or racks three-high, transversely to the fuselage axis, as I suspect you intend, you need both a large amount of vertical space - eight or nine feet, minimum - and roughly a second row's worth of space between racks, in order for people to get into and out of them. The former requirement can be reduced at the cost of squeezing people unpleasantly together and potentially dismaying claustrophobes; the latter requirement can be eliminated at the same cost, plus that of exclusively end-on entry to and exit from the rack, two-thirds of the time via a ladder. At this point the only customers you've got left are those fit enough to be physically able to use your service, and also unconcerned about being cheek by jowl with at least two strangers - or, if the racks have sidewalls, unconcerned about spending however many hours in a box too small to sit up in. A lounge might alleviate that concern, but what about the others? And where will people put their shoes? (Do you wear yours into bed?) The alternative is to compromise space efficiency for comfort, and a lot of airlines already do substantially that with A380s and individual sleeper pods.
    - chippy 9y ago
      The major thing about beds on planes is international safety regulations. Two that I can remember when working for an airline which were introducing beds: 1) The aisle has to be a set width, so you cant stack cabins across the plane. 2) Passengers need to seated and have a seat belt on upon take off and landing. I think theres another about being able to be belted in if turbulence happens, and be inspectable by attendants. In short, its not as easy as one may think, and its these regulations which complicate things.
- Tepix 9y ago
  Skycouch looks great, definitely something to consider next time I fly Air New Zealand² - are there other airlines that offer something like that? --- ² last time I flew with them was awful, worst legroom I've ever encountered.

toomanybeersies 9y ago

They do, if you fly first class. You just have to spend several thousand dollars on a ticket. Air New Zealand also offers skycouch (https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/economy-skycouch https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/economy-skycouch), which is similar and cheaper, but really is only worth it if you're traveling with your partner or someone else you feel comfortable spooning for an entire flight.

atemerev 9y ago
Capsules are arranged differently — they can be stacked together vertically, and probably be offered at least for the price of business class seats. (If the weight is a great concern, and it is, and capsules are too heavy — hammocks can also be an option).
- majewsky 9y ago
  > hammocks Hammocks with seatbelts!?
  - gargravarr 9y ago
    If they're anchored correctly, you'd probably be quite safe in a hammock during an emergency landing, in a relative sense - being suspended would absorb a lot of the energy. But agreed, it does seem pretty silly and probably wouldn't feel very safe!!
  - atemerev 9y ago
    Why not? And hammocks themselves can be anchored with teared energy absorber like used in via ferrata mountain climbing — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata#Energy_absorber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata#Energy_absorber . This will make the construction much safer than a single two-point seatbelt. Going to the restroom might prove to be somewhat challenging, though...
- gargravarr 9y ago
  I've thought about exactly this. Take a cue from Japanese honeycomb hotels and stack them three high in the place of the current seats - you could get equivalent passenger numbers on the plane, while giving people a safe way to stretch out on a long flight. Correctly designed, they would be safe, possibly safer than seats, during an emergency landing, although I can see getting out in a hurry being a major setback for implementation.
  - throwanem 9y ago
    You're describing something not wholly unakin to sleeping racks aboard a naval vessel, although no doubt much more comfortable. They are more space-efficient than beds, but less so than seats. In order to stack hammocks or racks three-high, transversely to the fuselage axis, as I suspect you intend, you need both a large amount of vertical space - eight or nine feet, minimum - and roughly a second row's worth of space between racks, in order for people to get into and out of them. The former requirement can be reduced at the cost of squeezing people unpleasantly together and potentially dismaying claustrophobes; the latter requirement can be eliminated at the same cost, plus that of exclusively end-on entry to and exit from the rack, two-thirds of the time via a ladder. At this point the only customers you've got left are those fit enough to be physically able to use your service, and also unconcerned about being cheek by jowl with at least two strangers - or, if the racks have sidewalls, unconcerned about spending however many hours in a box too small to sit up in. A lounge might alleviate that concern, but what about the others? And where will people put their shoes? (Do you wear yours into bed?) The alternative is to compromise space efficiency for comfort, and a lot of airlines already do substantially that with A380s and individual sleeper pods.
  - chippy 9y ago
    The major thing about beds on planes is international safety regulations. Two that I can remember when working for an airline which were introducing beds: 1) The aisle has to be a set width, so you cant stack cabins across the plane. 2) Passengers need to seated and have a seat belt on upon take off and landing. I think theres another about being able to be belted in if turbulence happens, and be inspectable by attendants. In short, its not as easy as one may think, and its these regulations which complicate things.
Tepix 9y ago
Skycouch looks great, definitely something to consider next time I fly Air New Zealand² - are there other airlines that offer something like that? --- ² last time I flew with them was awful, worst legroom I've ever encountered.