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This article is fucking stupid. Why do I keep seeing articles from racist websites on Hacker News?

by dreyfiz 16y ago

billswift 16y ago
Good going - more evidence that liberals call everything racist that they are too "fucking stupid" to provide a rational argument against.
- dreyfiz 16y ago
  You have no idea whether I'm a liberal or not, and you're making a fool of yourself with this comment. Thanks for revealing yourself as an axe-grinding political operative with an agenda though, it's good to know you weren't some innocent reader who just thought this was interesting.
  - sliverstorm 16y ago
    If anybody's got an axe to grind, it's pretty clearly you.
    - dreyfiz 16y ago
      I beg to differ, but you're welcome to your opinion. Passion can easily resemble axe-grinding. I'm just angry about the following two independent variables: 1. This article was incoherent and stupid, and it's on Hacker News. 2. A racist website was posted on Hacker News. My time was wasted. I can't get it back, so I'll react instead to make myself feel better.
- dreyfiz 16y ago
  Vox Day, cited admiringly throughout the article, is a racist. He writes for World Net Daily about white supremacism. Taki, the owner of the website, is a well-known antisemite. But I'm just another "liberal" calling "everything" racist, right?
  - miked 16y ago
    Vox Day...is a racist...Taki is a well-known antisemite. This article is fucking stupid. Why do I keep seeing articles from racist websites on Hacker News? Now that's insightful thinking! Evidence? Since it's so well-known, I assume it won't be hard to supply. And why should we even care? If they are racist, or like listening to Vanilla Ice, or something else sick, that's their problem. Our problem (as citizen's of OECD countries) is that the regulatory welfare states we live in -- all of them -- are rapidly going bankrupt (hello Greece, Spain, Portugal, Britain, Japan, Italy, and soon the US). Even worse, the young people who are going to bear the brunt of this (which would include most HN readers) seem largely unaware of it. That is why this article is important. So, would you explain how your ad hominem argument refutes what he is saying? Actually, it's kind of a second-order ad hominem, since you aren't even accusing the author of racism. There's still time though!
    - dreyfiz 16y ago
      My refutation of what he's saying is that it's self-evidently stupid political crap, and partisanship is brain damage. I don't come here for partisan politics. The article's form is a bunch of non-sequitur bullet points weaved together to try to paint a gloomy picture. My complaint about seeing racist websites on Hacker News is a completely independent clause. I even gave it its very own sentence. I have two complaints here, one is about the stupidity, the other is about seeing racist commentators being normalized on Hacker News. Look, this isn't a courtroom, and I'm not your research assistant. The fact that Taki and Vox Day are racists is well-known to anyone who knows anything about either of them. If you don't believe me then I suggest you Google and do some reading. I'd link to lmgtfy, but I don't want to be insulting. Taki characterizes himself as an anti-semite. Vox Day has an extensive written record of racist writings.
  - billswift 16y ago
    I don't know about his being a racist, but I followed the link to Amazon, then another link to another of his books and he is pretty much a crackpot, at least on some issues. I haven't decided yet whether to buy the book Derbyshire was quoting.
jbm 16y ago
I don't particularly care about the racism. I generally prefer free speech as a rule, despite my being an easy target for bigots. If he has something valuable to add, let him. The prime idea (that America is a nation that is suffering due to over bothering) is common enough, and an interesting question to boot. The question he deftly avoids is whether falling into such debt through payouts to well-placed citizens is an inherent flaw of democratic systems. He instead goes into partisan nonsense and avoids giving anything other than a general "THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS" vibe. It is a general rant; not focused on anything, with a vague threat about "a tsunami coming". Even if the government concentrated on the external debt, you'd still have agencies hiring inspectors to enforce labour laws and H2Bs being brought in by large IT companies. Flagged.

This article is fucking stupid. Why do I keep seeing articles from racist websites on Hacker News?

by dreyfiz 16y ago

This article is fucking stupid. Why do I keep seeing articles from racist websites on Hacker News?

Good going - more evidence that liberals call everything racist that they are too "fucking stupid" to provide a rational argument against.

dreyfiz 16y ago
You have no idea whether I'm a liberal or not, and you're making a fool of yourself with this comment. Thanks for revealing yourself as an axe-grinding political operative with an agenda though, it's good to know you weren't some innocent reader who just thought this was interesting.
- sliverstorm 16y ago
  If anybody's got an axe to grind, it's pretty clearly you.
  - dreyfiz 16y ago
    I beg to differ, but you're welcome to your opinion. Passion can easily resemble axe-grinding. I'm just angry about the following two independent variables: 1. This article was incoherent and stupid, and it's on Hacker News. 2. A racist website was posted on Hacker News. My time was wasted. I can't get it back, so I'll react instead to make myself feel better.
dreyfiz 16y ago
Vox Day, cited admiringly throughout the article, is a racist. He writes for World Net Daily about white supremacism. Taki, the owner of the website, is a well-known antisemite. But I'm just another "liberal" calling "everything" racist, right?
- miked 16y ago
  Vox Day...is a racist...Taki is a well-known antisemite. This article is fucking stupid. Why do I keep seeing articles from racist websites on Hacker News? Now that's insightful thinking! Evidence? Since it's so well-known, I assume it won't be hard to supply. And why should we even care? If they are racist, or like listening to Vanilla Ice, or something else sick, that's their problem. Our problem (as citizen's of OECD countries) is that the regulatory welfare states we live in -- all of them -- are rapidly going bankrupt (hello Greece, Spain, Portugal, Britain, Japan, Italy, and soon the US). Even worse, the young people who are going to bear the brunt of this (which would include most HN readers) seem largely unaware of it. That is why this article is important. So, would you explain how your ad hominem argument refutes what he is saying? Actually, it's kind of a second-order ad hominem, since you aren't even accusing the author of racism. There's still time though!
  - dreyfiz 16y ago
    My refutation of what he's saying is that it's self-evidently stupid political crap, and partisanship is brain damage. I don't come here for partisan politics. The article's form is a bunch of non-sequitur bullet points weaved together to try to paint a gloomy picture. My complaint about seeing racist websites on Hacker News is a completely independent clause. I even gave it its very own sentence. I have two complaints here, one is about the stupidity, the other is about seeing racist commentators being normalized on Hacker News. Look, this isn't a courtroom, and I'm not your research assistant. The fact that Taki and Vox Day are racists is well-known to anyone who knows anything about either of them. If you don't believe me then I suggest you Google and do some reading. I'd link to lmgtfy, but I don't want to be insulting. Taki characterizes himself as an anti-semite. Vox Day has an extensive written record of racist writings.
- billswift 16y ago
  I don't know about his being a racist, but I followed the link to Amazon, then another link to another of his books and he is pretty much a crackpot, at least on some issues. I haven't decided yet whether to buy the book Derbyshire was quoting.

jbm 16y ago

I don't particularly care about the racism. I generally prefer free speech as a rule, despite my being an easy target for bigots. If he has something valuable to add, let him. The prime idea (that America is a nation that is suffering due to over bothering) is common enough, and an interesting question to boot. The question he deftly avoids is whether falling into such debt through payouts to well-placed citizens is an inherent flaw of democratic systems. He instead goes into partisan nonsense and avoids giving anything other than a general "THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS" vibe. It is a general rant; not focused on anything, with a vague threat about "a tsunami coming". Even if the government concentrated on the external debt, you'd still have agencies hiring inspectors to enforce labour laws and H2Bs being brought in by large IT companies. Flagged.