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> we still have no truly waterproof phones), battery life Aren't iPhones and galaxy "active" or something are waterproof? There are "survival" type phone that

by usaphp 9y ago

> we still have no truly waterproof phones), battery life Aren't iPhones and galaxy "active" or something are waterproof? There are "survival" type phone that have weeks of battery life and shock/water proof, but it's not what the market wants, there is a minority of people who would sacrifice the look/dimensions/weight of he phone for the N week batter life. Most consumers would go for the looks and portability I think. That's why iphone sells as much and those "survival" phones don't. Do you think if iphone would stick a twice as thick of a battery in its next iPhone many people would buy it? I certainly would not

cakedoggie 9y ago
They are water resistant, which is as good as you are going to get. Not sure what this guy means by water proof, but you will never have a truly 100% water proof phone, since you can't really have a truly water proof any expensive electrical device. Since nothing can withstand the water at really low depths/high pressure, even submarines.
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  Sure you can, but not in a thin easy to manufacture package while also using mechanically acceptable materials that are also light. Waterproof is not the same as pressure proof. Typically the rating is set by the seals used. If hard seals were used or single piece ultrasonic welded cases, the device would really be waterproof. Soft seals will start leaking water because the seal material compresses. Submarines are waterproof unless damaged. They have a crush depth though.
khedoros1 9y ago
I don't know what other people would buy if they were advertised heavier, but I'd buy a phone with about a 4.5"-5" screen, and 1.5x thicker than my current one, as long as the edges aren't sharp. Something like a Galaxy Nexus with a bit of battery bulge, updated components, and a micro SD slot would be close to perfect.
- usaphp 9y ago
  What prevents you from buying a battery case for he nexus or iPhone?
  - khedoros1 9y ago
    The Galaxy Nexus that I have is for the wrong carrier, its version of Android doesn't receive security updates, and has a tiny amount of storage with no expandable memory option. iOS lacks a lot of the features I take for granted (MTP for arbitrary file types, support for app stores like HumbleBundle, ability to run different browsers and servers like ssh on-device). The iPhone hardware itself: non-removable battery, no external storage, and current models don't have a headphone jack. I'm not a fan of wireless audio devices. I'd have a fair amount of software to re-purchase. I've got an iPhone 6 available to me, that was originally a work phone. It's nice, in a lot of ways. Not something I'd consider for my "daily driver". So, what prevents me? The fact that those devices would still be unsuitable, even if I got a battery case. I would've considered the Sony Xperia X Compact, if it had been released when I was last phone shopping. Seems Sony's got a bad habit of not updating their phones, I doubt their commitment to supporting them, and that's a particularly niche model, anyhow. Not much third-party support.

by usaphp 9y ago

cakedoggie 9y ago

They are water resistant, which is as good as you are going to get. Not sure what this guy means by water proof, but you will never have a truly 100% water proof phone, since you can't really have a truly water proof any expensive electrical device. Since nothing can withstand the water at really low depths/high pressure, even submarines.

AstralStorm 9y ago
Sure you can, but not in a thin easy to manufacture package while also using mechanically acceptable materials that are also light. Waterproof is not the same as pressure proof. Typically the rating is set by the seals used. If hard seals were used or single piece ultrasonic welded cases, the device would really be waterproof. Soft seals will start leaking water because the seal material compresses. Submarines are waterproof unless damaged. They have a crush depth though.

khedoros1 9y ago

I don't know what other people would buy if they were advertised heavier, but I'd buy a phone with about a 4.5"-5" screen, and 1.5x thicker than my current one, as long as the edges aren't sharp. Something like a Galaxy Nexus with a bit of battery bulge, updated components, and a micro SD slot would be close to perfect.

usaphp 9y ago
What prevents you from buying a battery case for he nexus or iPhone?
- khedoros1 9y ago
  The Galaxy Nexus that I have is for the wrong carrier, its version of Android doesn't receive security updates, and has a tiny amount of storage with no expandable memory option. iOS lacks a lot of the features I take for granted (MTP for arbitrary file types, support for app stores like HumbleBundle, ability to run different browsers and servers like ssh on-device). The iPhone hardware itself: non-removable battery, no external storage, and current models don't have a headphone jack. I'm not a fan of wireless audio devices. I'd have a fair amount of software to re-purchase. I've got an iPhone 6 available to me, that was originally a work phone. It's nice, in a lot of ways. Not something I'd consider for my "daily driver". So, what prevents me? The fact that those devices would still be unsuitable, even if I got a battery case. I would've considered the Sony Xperia X Compact, if it had been released when I was last phone shopping. Seems Sony's got a bad habit of not updating their phones, I doubt their commitment to supporting them, and that's a particularly niche model, anyhow. Not much third-party support.