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Your edit says it all... you assumed it was a "right wing" piece so you assumed it was terrible evil lies. Good luck with that.

mkramlich 16y ago
Nope. I did not assume that. And I don't assume that everything said by a politically so-called right wing source is evil or a lie. However, on the other hand, I've seen so many lies (both blatant and subtle) and so many anti-humane, pro-rich, pro-aristocratic, anti-health, anti-education, pro-superstition, anti-science, anti-environmental, anti-empathy, pro-military, anti-fairness actions supported and advocated by right wing folks that yes I do come to expect it much of the time. Are those positions "evil" in the same sense that say Hitler was evil? Hard to say, and that's a can of worms to even try to debate. But my operating principle is that it is approximately equivalent to evil, at least by quality if not by magnitude or directness.
- anon-e-moose 16y ago
  "Are those positions "evil" in the same sense that say Hitler was evil?" Since you seem worried about this I'll help you out a bit. Since the American right wing lacks a specific plan to exterminate millions of a certain race or religion, or conquer the world with a master race, then the answer is clearly "no". Was that even an intellectually serious thought though? If you are an American, do you literally worry about the day when your outspoken liberal drinking buddy will be taken to a work camp, if the Republicans should take back Congress or the White House? Or was it just a cheap slur.
  - mkramlich 16y ago
    You're assuming things I did not say. Go look at the actual things I said I've seen them advocate (pro-rich, anti-environment, etc.) -- none of them involved race or work camps. They are more pro-superstition ('faith' is probably their agreed upon buzzword used to convey this without having to say Christianity explicitly) than say the Democratic Party -- any reasonable study of that should lead you to that conclusion. If you are pro-religion or pro-aristocracy, you should prefer the R's over the D's, that's for sure. Pro-pollution? Also better to vote R than D. Anti-gay? Vote R rather than D. The list goes on. Calling bad/evil things bad/evil is not a cheap slur, it's like calling water wet. People just have different views on what constitutes bad/evil.
    - anon-e-moose 16y ago
      In other words, you also agree that they are not as evil as Hitler, but feel that they align with bigoted or superstitious interests. So it wasn't a cheap slur, just a fitting comparison. Much like comparing a Canadian goose to the space shuttle.
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      - mkramlich 16y ago
        Also instead of "right wing" I should have said Republican Party. I think you can be "right" politically and not necessarily agree with everything the RP promotes. In the US they tend to get conflated however. I'm going to shutup now in this thread area though. Way too political of a topic. Sorry, fellow HN readers. :(
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- anamax 16y ago
  > However, on the other hand, I've seen so many lies (both blatant and subtle) and so many anti-humane, pro-rich, pro-aristocratic, anti-health, anti-education, pro-superstition, anti-science, anti-environmental, anti-empathy, pro-military, anti-fairness actions supported and advocated by right wing folks that yes I do come to expect it much of the time. Have you subjected other folks to the same scrutiny?

mkramlich 16y ago

Nope. I did not assume that. And I don't assume that everything said by a politically so-called right wing source is evil or a lie. However, on the other hand, I've seen so many lies (both blatant and subtle) and so many anti-humane, pro-rich, pro-aristocratic, anti-health, anti-education, pro-superstition, anti-science, anti-environmental, anti-empathy, pro-military, anti-fairness actions supported and advocated by right wing folks that yes I do come to expect it much of the time. Are those positions "evil" in the same sense that say Hitler was evil? Hard to say, and that's a can of worms to even try to debate. But my operating principle is that it is approximately equivalent to evil, at least by quality if not by magnitude or directness.

anon-e-moose 16y ago
"Are those positions "evil" in the same sense that say Hitler was evil?" Since you seem worried about this I'll help you out a bit. Since the American right wing lacks a specific plan to exterminate millions of a certain race or religion, or conquer the world with a master race, then the answer is clearly "no". Was that even an intellectually serious thought though? If you are an American, do you literally worry about the day when your outspoken liberal drinking buddy will be taken to a work camp, if the Republicans should take back Congress or the White House? Or was it just a cheap slur.
- mkramlich 16y ago
  You're assuming things I did not say. Go look at the actual things I said I've seen them advocate (pro-rich, anti-environment, etc.) -- none of them involved race or work camps. They are more pro-superstition ('faith' is probably their agreed upon buzzword used to convey this without having to say Christianity explicitly) than say the Democratic Party -- any reasonable study of that should lead you to that conclusion. If you are pro-religion or pro-aristocracy, you should prefer the R's over the D's, that's for sure. Pro-pollution? Also better to vote R than D. Anti-gay? Vote R rather than D. The list goes on. Calling bad/evil things bad/evil is not a cheap slur, it's like calling water wet. People just have different views on what constitutes bad/evil.
  - anon-e-moose 16y ago
    In other words, you also agree that they are not as evil as Hitler, but feel that they align with bigoted or superstitious interests. So it wasn't a cheap slur, just a fitting comparison. Much like comparing a Canadian goose to the space shuttle.
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    - mkramlich 16y ago
      Also instead of "right wing" I should have said Republican Party. I think you can be "right" politically and not necessarily agree with everything the RP promotes. In the US they tend to get conflated however. I'm going to shutup now in this thread area though. Way too political of a topic. Sorry, fellow HN readers. :(
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anamax 16y ago
> However, on the other hand, I've seen so many lies (both blatant and subtle) and so many anti-humane, pro-rich, pro-aristocratic, anti-health, anti-education, pro-superstition, anti-science, anti-environmental, anti-empathy, pro-military, anti-fairness actions supported and advocated by right wing folks that yes I do come to expect it much of the time. Have you subjected other folks to the same scrutiny?